Arrow and The Flash are just... BAD TEENAGE DRAMAS where the teenagers are in their mid-twenties to early thirties but still whine about everything and oh, how the world sucks and we keep secrets from each other, each beautiful beautiful other. I mean seriously. those shows... those shows STINK. I managed to get through 2 seasons of Arrow and a season of The Flash, The Flash was somewhat better because it's a bit more lighthearted, but it still stank...
GOTHAM? I force-fed myself the first season just to have an opinion, again. Gotham is a piece of shit. Incredibly stupid writing.
iZombie was kind of cute but way too procedural to keep the audience interested. Nothing really bad there, but also nothing really standing out.
Haven't watched Supergirl (never was interested in the Superman universe) or Legends of Tomorrow.
Purist? Not really. I haven't read any Arrow at all. Or The Flash. I liked the 80s show The Flash. I barely have read any Batman, just seen the films (both old and new) and had a few laughs with the 60s show. Haven't read iZombie either. No, I'm not some kind of comic-books-are-bibles fanatic. I loved the film adaptation of Watchmen even though it changed some key points of the plot. It was bloody amazing. I loved the TV films adaptation of Pratchett's books even though they also had great differences from the source (and I adore Pratchett to death). I believe the Lord of the Rings films are much better than the actual books (yeah I said it). Except for that third film that just dragged on and on and on...
But when you clearly pick up gold (Preacher/Lucifer) and turn it into shit (Preacher TV/Lucifer TV), well...
And it's BECAUSE TV has improved so much lately that I'm whining more and more about shows. I mean there are so many good TV series out there, a lot better than films these days, that you can't throw a rock without hitting one. Yet somehow, crap like these still get made and people for some reason can't tell them apart from the good stuff.
Daredevil was good. Season one at least. Season two was a bit... meh.
Jessica Jones was good.
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. boring as fuck.
Also, if you go and see how many TV series Marvel has got baking (and I assume DC isn't far back) it's getting ridiculous. They're just churning the stuff out now. How can you have quality if your main concern is to make money from the mass consumer? Also read "The Boys". I can't recommend it enough. Careful, though. It really has no cap on how offending it can be.

DC is in panic mode. Marvel gets shit shows and movies everywhere which rake in shitloads of cash, so they try to shit out their IP-s evrywhere aswell. But they shouldn't, they should get some minds to work at it and create an universe like MCU is and not do haltura with their shows and movies

I do not know, I just quoted what he said, but it is probably that they want to appeal to more people and it does work. Some of my friends did not read the comic, nor will they, ever, but they enjoy the show, and if you look at some conversations between people who did the same they like what they see until now.

So, a sell-out. :P
The only problem is that both parent companies only see $$$. Which isn't something weird, they're huge companies. They got this fat SOME way (caring only about money way).

Arrow and Flash are, like sunshine said, just terribly written teen drama. Flash has the benefit of some good actors (great Reverse Flash in season 1), but it's still mostly badly written and nonsensical. Supergirl is the worst of the bunch, downright unwatchable. I kinda like Gotham, mostly for it's cast (Penguin, Bullock, Alfred, Riddler are all superb). But it's still a very flawed show. The other two I haven't seen yet.

That is simply untrue. There are many faithful adaptations of books and comics, at the very least much more faithful than any of those shows mentioned here.

TV was bad in the 80s? Are you crazy? Miami Vice, Crime Story, Blake's 7, Star Cops, Star Trek The Next Generation, Harry's Game, Robin of Sherwood (possibly the best tv show ever made)... Yeah, I'd like that kind of "bad" back. Today's TV isn't fit to lick the boots of shows like those.

Nah, at least on TV they're not in panic, the shows might be mostly shit, but they're doing very well. It's the opposite of panic- most of they're shows are quite successful (in terms of popularity), so they want to squize as much as they can from their other IPs.

just adding my opinion :)

Started with the TV Series, as I heard a few good things about the comics that I have never read.
So, I had absolutely no expectations.

First scene I have seen Joseph Gilgun I had a big grin in my face until the end of the first episode.
Enjoyed it a lot :)

Episode #2 was a bit slow but had some very nice scenes in it.

I will keep looking it.

I know the comic series & its one of the best I have read. As a fan I hate the Preacher TV series (Pilot) for all the changes from the comics. Without knowing the comics I probably would like it.

I read the comic series and loved it for the most part but felt that it started to burn out towards the end. I'm not sure the TV series can fix that, but how does it compare stylistically?

But Star Trek TNG got better in the 90s (And Star Trek in general)

I mean come on the early seasons of TNG were just.......bleh :P

Yeah, it got etter in the 90s, but it still started in the 80s, got it's cast and a lot of what remained at it's core in the 80s. And even in the first two seasons there was a lot of great episodes. I really think that people tend to underrate those early seasons. I'm not denying the problems they had, but there was a lot of good stuff there, especially season 2.

I mean really- Where Silence has Lease, A Matter of Honor, Measure of a Man, Time Squared, Q Who - that's some of my favourite Trek episodes ever. I even like some of the weaker ones, like The Royale, just for how bizarre it is.

Ah, that's a weak argument and you know it. Congrats, you can name half a dozen decent series from a decade. /twirl finger

That's like the people saying that music from the 80s was so awesome because they can name a dozen bands or singers that were good. Once you've winnowed the chaff, of course you can find good stuff. Hey, look, I found Dexter, The Wire, Peaky Blinders, Game of Thrones, Boardwalk Empire, The Expanse, and Luther.

TV wasn't better in the 70s and 80s. You're just sick of all the bullshit TV - of which there's a crapload - and seem to forget about shows like Manimal and The Powers of Matthew Star.

You officially have no taste and no logic.

That's more than I could name now (and it's not a complete list). And they are better than anything now. I don't really know what could be a better argument. Shit like Game of Thrones or the woefully overrrated Luther really doesn't measure up to anything I mentioned. There are good shows now too, I'm not saying there are none, but even those are just not really as good. Sure, there was also crap back then, as there is now. There always is. What's important is how good the good stuff was. And it was superb. There is always little of the truly great stuff. It's always in the minority.