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Hello, everyone.

Since my reputation decrases automatically anyway, I’ve decided once again to raise people awareness of some pro-censorship shenanigans going on. Namely this report, published a couple of weeks ago: TL;DR
This report is about: assortment of youtube personalities who promote various political views on their channels that are not supporting (and quite often rejecting) “social justice”, “identity politics” and other “left-wing” political ideas. They offer commentaries and suggestions on society and social problems that are alternative to established leftist narrative. And they are also connected with each other, either through links in their content material (like Brittany Pettibone’s videos reference Lauren Southern in the description) or through hosting debates with each other (like online discussion about ethno-states between several youtubers including Carl Benjamin aka Sargon of Akkad and Richard Spencer). This way, obviously, a person who watches videos made by one youtuber, eventually exposed to the influence of the other youtubers through those nework of connections. Hence, the report collectively calls them – Alternative Influence Network or AIN.

This report claims: because of such connections and exposure viewers of more neutral channels are influenced by more extreme and radical ideas from more far-right channels. And thus can become more racist, misogynist, etc. Essentially, if you watch some lecture from Jordan Piterson, there are great chances that you start watch Spencer and join alt-right. That’s the gist of what report’s author argues about.

This report methodology: is somewhat lacking. While author clearly shows how a person can move from moderate opposition of the left ot far-right extremism, she is completely silent about the reverse process. And thus of course no quantitative evaluations present – how many people are radicalized, how many deradicalized? And how many people would go to the left, since there are quite a few links from AIN youtubers to the “social justice” youtubers, whom report, obviously, forgets too.
The references in the report, that are supposed to contain some hard data, backing author’s viewpoint, are for the most part works of other left wing ideologues, who write their articles without any hard data to back it up, too.
AIN report author also doesn’t hesitate to manipulate facts (which is ironically one of the things she accuses AIN of). She informs reader that in mentioned ethno-state debate Spencer showed more charisma and confidence than Sargon, and some viewers commented positively on Spencer. But she omits the fact that there were other youtubers in that video, who confronted Spencer ethno-state idea, including one named Styx, who got a lot more favorable comments than Spencer.

This report is really about: AIN youtubers clearly constitute a threat to left-wing monopoly on ideas and news coverage. With them any internet user can get access to full spectrum of views, starting from far-left, up to far-right. And make informed choice to join community to their liking. And that ability to make a choice by having various points of view to judge about the world allows people not to have their opinions molded solely by left-wing narrative.

This report suggests: that the best way to contain AIN threat is to silence ALL of those who oppose “social justice narrative”. Instead of, you know, to confront their ideologies and debunk their fallacies. I mean, their political ideas do have fallacies, right? Otherwise why would you claim them to be wrong?

To moderator: If you considering to delete/lock this thread, think about this – youtube is one of the major channels of game advertising. And if this report’s urge to censor and remove anyone who opposes left-wing politics will come into fruition, it will leave only sanctimonious, self-righteous left-ideology bigots on this platform, and later on others, like facebook and tweeter too. Do you really think that it’s wise to leave coverage of GOG shop and games you sell in the hands of those people? To depend solely on their whim, if they decide you made or said something that offends them?

After all quite recently you already had two incidents with controversial comments on social media. Imagine if to cover and analize them cold only far-left ideologues, who thought that even your apology for mistakes is not enough.
Post edited September 23, 2018 by LootHunter
Politics discussion isn't allowed anymore so I doubt discussion on politics used by Youtubers will fare any better
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Pheace: Politics discussion isn't allowed anymore so I doubt discussion on politics used by Youtubers will fare any better
But that was my point in the last paragraph - this is not purely political. This report connected to games in general and GOG in particular.
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Pheace: Politics discussion isn't allowed anymore so I doubt discussion on politics used by Youtubers will fare any better
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LootHunter: But that was my point in the last paragraph - this is not purely political. This report connected to games in general and GOG in particular.
The point is, this is not the place (anymore) to have that discussion. And contrary to your paragraph there, it doesn't leave the other side of the political spectrum to roam free. They also can't speak about politics.
Post edited September 23, 2018 by Pheace
Make no mistake, this thread will be closed no doubt about that and ALL political threads will fare the same.

I don't care, you are entitled to have whatever political view you want as anyone else but GOG will bury this as soon as they see it since i think it has been proven many times that most people can't handle a respectful political discussion.
Post edited September 23, 2018 by ChrisGamer300
"Yotubers" - that's really all I took from that, a section of the population we could well do without, in fact a website we could well do without.
https://derpicdn.net/img/view/2015/5/24/903054.gif
Just wanted to post in this thread before it gets locked - for king and country!
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amok: Just wanted to post in this thread before it gets locked - for king and country!
Queen possibly you.

I meant "queen possibly" - bleeding autocorrect!
Post edited September 23, 2018 by nightcraw1er.488
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nightcraw1er.488: "Yotubers" - that's really all I took from that, a section of the population we could well do without, in fact a website we could well do without.
About this.
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nightcraw1er.488: "Yotubers" - that's really all I took from that, a section of the population we could well do without, in fact a website we could well do without.
And how are you going to get your news that are not fakes or propaganda?
Like this one:
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Telika: About this.
Post edited September 23, 2018 by LootHunter
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nightcraw1er.488: "Yotubers" - that's really all I took from that, a section of the population we could well do without, in fact a website we could well do without.
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LootHunter: And how are you going to get your news that are not fakes or propaganda?
Like this one:
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Telika: About this.
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LootHunter:
Of course. Everything being part of The Conspiracy, apart from the convincingly foaming neonazis of your little internet circles, because the more badass the discourse the more satisfactory. Good luck with your evaluation criteria.
I can even smell the oil on the approaching padlock.
The OP is dripping with political content with no clear line of referencing a particular video game, or the video gaming industry as a whole beyond and impact in advertising, which is an impact which may or may not affect ALL business entities that use YouTube for commerce. It's not a clear line of reference, which is made more evident when you left the last paragraph to argue against being moderated.

No sympathy for your bad rep tonight LootHunter..
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Telika: Of course. Everything being part of The Conspiracy, apart from the convincingly foaming neonazis
On the contrary, neonazis probably ARE part of The Conspicacy. After all, why else would you call them "convincing"? Whome they are to convince? And of what? Your political opponents of your narrative, I imagine.
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Braggadar: no clear line of referencing a particular video game
So, should have I mentioned Postal 2, Cyberpunk 2077 and Doom Eternal by name?

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Braggadar: No sympathy for your bad rep tonight LootHunter..
As I've said, my rep goes down by couple of points every day due to some GOG forum glitch. So I don't particulary care if it would go down a couple of points more due to some politically inclined bigots.
Post edited September 23, 2018 by LootHunter
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Pheace: Politics discussion isn't allowed anymore so I doubt discussion on politics used by Youtubers will fare any better
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LootHunter: But that was my point in the last paragraph - this is not purely political. This report connected to games in general and GOG in particular.
''This report is about: assortment of youtube personalities who promote various political views on their channels that are not supporting (and quite often rejecting) “social justice”, “identity politics” and other “left-wing” political ideas''

Locked.

''To moderator: If you considering to delete/lock this thread, think about this – youtube is one of the major channels of game advertising. And if this report’s urge to censor and remove anyone who opposes left-wing politics will come into fruition, it will leave only sanctimonious, self-righteous left-ideology bigots on this platform, and later on others, like facebook and tweeter too. Do you really think that it’s wise to leave coverage of GOG shop and games you sell in the hands of those people? To depend solely on their whim, if they decide you made or said something that offends them? '''

Again, this is purely political. If you post anything like this again, I will be contacting you with details on how long your ban will be.
Post edited September 23, 2018 by Linko90