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ariaspi: Isn't connecting a normal monitor to it a viable solution for you? At least for content where 16:9 is the better option. This is how I've used my laptop most of the time, extending the displays, not duplicating them. Also with mouse & keyboard plugged in.
Timpuu mentions this as a possible option in post 11, second line down...
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ariaspi: Isn't connecting a normal monitor to it a viable solution for you? At least for content where 16:9 is the better option. This is how I've used my laptop most of the time, extending the displays, not duplicating them. Also with mouse & keyboard plugged in.
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Trooper1270: Timpuu mentions this as a possible option in post 11, second line down...
Very good then. :D
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timppu: 1. How widespread is native support for 16:10 resolutions in PC games, like (I think) 1920x1200 and such? Can you say that e.g. most PC games from the last 5-10 years support 16:10 resolutions just fine?
This is the most common resolution I used for windowed mode on my 3440x1440 display. Off-hand, it feels like about 1/2 the games that do a fixed-resolution windowed mode (as opposed to real "resizable window windowed mode") have that resolution. Newer games are more likely to have it. Sometimes if you set it manually in config files it works even it wasn't selectable.
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timppu: 3. When watching 16:9 (Full-HD or better) movies and TV-series on it, I guess you just get some black bars on the top and bottom of the screen?
Non-issue. Especially if you have a monitor with multiple lighting zones and/or thin bezels an/or black frames around display.
Post edited November 07, 2021 by mqstout
16:10 format was relevant about 10 - 15 years ago, when the majority of desktop monitors were 19''.

It was popular on small screens, because 16:9 models did not have enough height to make reading and office work comfortable.

Nowadays, when most of computer monitors are 23'' - 27'', 16:10 format has become outdated. Therefore, it might be less supported by newer games.
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timppu: so is 16:10 mainly a laptop thing?
Yes, their screens are much smaller than desktop monitors.
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AlexTerranova: 16:10 format was relevant about 10 - 15 years ago, when the majority of desktop monitors were 19''.

It was popular on small screens, because 16:9 models did not have enough height to make reading and office work comfortable.

Nowadays, when most of computer monitors are 23'' - 27'', 16:10 format has become outdated. Therefore, it might be less supported by newer games.
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timppu: so is 16:10 mainly a laptop thing?
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AlexTerranova: Yes, their screens are much smaller than desktop monitors.
I... don't quite understand why they'd make more sense on smaller screens? It doesn't seem to me that most smaller laptops (like 15" or less) would be 16:10, usually they are 16:9 as far as I can tell. E.g. my work Dell laptop, I think it is about the similar size (15.6". 16:9) as this Lenovo (16", 16:10). I don't really feel any real benefit in desktop use.

Also considering that the Dell is a business laptop and this Lenovo is a gaming laptop, if there was real benefit in office use to being 16:10, I would have expected it to be the opposite, ie. Dell would have been 16:10 and Lenovo 16:9.

But yeah, I don't think I've seen 16:10 monitors lately, they are either 16:9 or wider. Oh well, I guess I will become accustomed with narrow black bars up and down, when gaming on the laptop screen (and not on an external 16:9 monitor). It is a mystery to me though why Lenovo chose to go with the 16:10 aspect ratio in at least one of their gaming laptops.
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timppu: I went ahead and bought the damn beast.
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Themken: May it serve you well!
Still 13 days left to return it, if it doesn't!

It had Windows 10 pre-installed on it, and it kept offering me to upgrade it to Windows 11... but the download button (in order to initiate the Windows 11 download and install) never seemed to do anything? Click click click, nothing.

Since I prefer clean installations anyway, I created a Windows 11 installation media on a 8GB USB memory stick using the MS Media Creation tool, booted the laptop with it, deleted all the existing partitions from the SSD (including recovery partitions), and installed Windows 11 on it.

Works fine so far, I just must remember to install e.g. Lenovo Vantage application later as that has some important features (BIOS/UEFI updates, controlling how the battery is recharged (not to charge it constantly to 100% if you are mostly plugged in anyway, keeps the battery healthier for a longer time that way) etc.

For some things (like where to find the power options to disable Fast Startup) I needed to google for, but mostly if you don't find something you are looking for (because it is relocated in Windows 11), just press the Start button and type it in. E.g. the old Control Panel still seems to be there too, just type in "control" to find it.

Still going to buy also another 512GB or 1TB SSD on the side, installing Linux Mint or Manjaro on it (maybe I should try Manjaro, I have enough Mint PCs already).

I like the chassis and build of this Lenovo, it is rigid aluminum mostly, making it a bit heavier than similar plastic laptops. I think the aluminum chassis also helps cooling it, I read a review where e.g. keeping this beast on a cooling pad helps to bring down the temps quite much, something that doesn't always seem to happen with plastic laptops (as plastic doesn't conduct heat like aluminum does).

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Themken: Cortana can go stuff it.
Removed by default on Windows 11, woohoo! Apparently you can still install it separately, if you really are so weird.

Also apparently the so called "live tiles" of the Windows 10 start menu are gone as well, which is good IMHO. They always made the basic Windows 10 start menu oddly busy and distracting.

At this point I am unsure why people shouldn't upgrade to Windows 11, if they are already using Windows 10. Not sure how well Windows 11 supports local user accounts if that is important to someone. I use my Outlook account just like I use(d) with Windows 10 and I keep hearing conflicting stories whether or not local accounts are supported in Windows 11.
Post edited November 07, 2021 by timppu
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timppu: .... and I keep hearing conflicting stories whether or not local accounts are supported in Windows 11.
They are, just not in the Home version.
^ This ^
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timppu: .... and I keep hearing conflicting stories whether or not local accounts are supported in Windows 11.
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teceem: They are, just not in the Home version.
Ah ok. So this laptop obviously has now 11 Home, while my work laptop will possibly have something else as it currently has Win 10 Pro.

I presume e.g. Bitlocker is still missing from the home version as well, but I guess there are free third-party filesystem encryption programs for home users (VeraCrypt, DiskCryptor etc.). Naturally I use Bitlocker on my work laptop.
Post edited November 07, 2021 by timppu
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mqstout: This is the most common resolution I used for windowed mode on my 3440x1440 display. Off-hand, it feels like about 1/2 the games that do a fixed-resolution windowed mode (as opposed to real "resizable window windowed mode") have that resolution. Newer games are more likely to have it. Sometimes if you set it manually in config files it works even it wasn't selectable.
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Non-issue. Especially if you have a monitor with multiple lighting zones and/or thin bezels an/or black frames around display.
Ok, this video, which compares the earlier Intel-version of the Legion 7 (with a 15.6" 16:9 display) convinced me that being 16:10 is not really an issue (at least compared to that earlier Intel-powered model):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va5G2YMuK00#t=440

So the earlier 16:9 screen mainly has a thicker lower bezel, kind of a permanent "black bar" on the bottom anyway. The 16:10 display has more actual display area there. so that kinda makes it a non-issue if there is a black bar there in many games and movies on the 16:10 display.

Also while watching that video with subtitles on, I realized that the (extra) black bars can be even beneficial for videos, movies and TV series because then the subtitles may land more to that black bar, instead of on top of the actual movie I am watching, LOL.

So yeah, no regrets for getting a 16:10 screen, after all...
Post edited November 07, 2021 by timppu
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timppu: So yeah, no regrets for getting a 16:10 screen, after all...
Congrats on the new purchase. One issue not mentioned is "accommodation", ie, there's a tendency for humans to simply get used to something changing and not even think about minor negatives after the first 2-3 weeks. Eg, whilst Ultrawide gamers would prefer 21:9 native support, that's not practically possible and 34" Ultrawide gamers often get used to playing pillar-boxed 16:9 games on a 'virtual' 27" 16:9 monitor to the extent it feels the same as if they were gaming on a 27" monitor. So another way of looking at your laptop is if you would be happy with a 15.0" sized laptop screen instead of a 15.6" one, then the 16:9 on a 15.6" sized screen problem is solved for the same reason and you'll probably stop seeing the black bars after a while.
yes congrats with the beast, do share some gaming experiences
I haven't read all the posts in the thread yet, but I think you'll be happy with your purchase. I used a 16:10 screen until 2019, and I thought it was quite nice. My father is still using a 16:10 on his rig too. It was a popular aspect ratio before, with the benefit of offering more screen real estate. Nowadays I mostly see it on Dell Ultrasharps or other screens intended for picture editing or other professional work. I never had any real problems with using it, just a few rare occurences of games not having true 16:10 support and letterboxing the image to 16:9 with black bars. I never had anything look outright wrong on my 16:10, so to speak.
Post edited November 08, 2021 by Random_Coffee
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timppu: why they'd make more sense on smaller screens?
Vertical space on small widescreen displays is very limited. You have to scroll a lot, when you are working with office documents, reading books or surfing the net.
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timppu: It doesn't seem to me that most smaller laptops (like 15" or less) would be 16:10, usually they are 16:9 as far as I can tell.
Maybe, manufactures want to offer more variety on a laptop market, where it still makes sense.

Or they have produced too many 16:9 panels and utilize stock this way.)
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timppu: Also while watching that video with subtitles on, I realized that the (extra) black bars can be even beneficial for videos, movies and TV series because then the subtitles may land more to that black bar, instead of on top of the actual movie I am watching, LOL.
As long as subtitles are not printed on top of the border between black bar and actual picture.) Like in the original Dreamfall game, where it happens even on 16:9 screen due to some annoying bug. :P