Go ahead and reread this post. Notice how you put "the right way" in quotes to show that you were quoting someone who actually said that? Well, no one did. Or at least not me, as you are implying. So yes, you're making stuff up. You didn't really respond to my actual post at all. Instead you just made up a bunch of nonsense in your head and then responded to that. The fact that you quoted my actual post before hand only makes it more obvious how completely you ignored it's contents.

LOL...Philkuu... dont worry my friend :)
Ive spent so long online and on various messageboards, I`m able to read the difference between good natured ribbing and sarcasm :)
Im not sure of the true definition of a Forum Troll... but Im` pretty sure its something along thelines of :
"A person who enters a good natured online discussion with the sole purpose of perpetuating angst and ill will"
You reading this Shoelip?
Seriously... just chill out :)
This is a computer game we`re discussing... in friendly terms :)
One man`s cake, is another man`s poison....
Accept that.... and its handshakes all round! :))

I've had enough of this garbage, I'm leaving this thread.

It's not my intention to piss you off, but it gets tiring putting meaningless fake warm and fuzzy words between each of my arguments.
I am chilled out, and I only stay that way because I don't add a bunch of passive aggressive bullshit to my posts. I just say what I mean.
It's clear you aren't actually interested in a discussion though as you continue to take pointless lighthearted jabs at each other while ignoring any actual arguments.
A troll can also be a person who enters a meaningful discussion with the sole purpose of perpetuating misunderstanding and stupidity. Which is exactly what Phikuu seems to have done.
Then again maybe he's not a troll. Maybe he honestly thinks I wrote those words he made up for me. In that case though there's no point talking to him at all.

Good deal, legrande! :)
Thanks!

Look, I dont know you Shoelip... maybe youre a wonderful, happy-go-lucky guy in your everyday real life, loved by many and respected by all.
All I, as a new member here, has to go on is your written word and your perceived mood and attitude.
Labelling my words (along with others) as "meaningless fake warm and fuzzy" is at best presumptuous, and at worst inflammatory.
My words on here arent fake, if they are warm and fuzzy, its because Im (mostly) a decent guy who enjoys discussion and prefers to leave more people in my wake with a smile on their face, rather than a spittle flecked growl.
Some people enjoy the anonymity of a message board to cathartically "roleplay" their badass mofo evil side. Others take out their frustrations cos they have an ugly wife/girlfriend/partner who wont put out when they want. Some are sad, bored, insignificant little tw*ts who get some kind of dubious tingles in their nether regions by causing grief where none need exist.
I dont know if youre one or more or NONE of those...all I know is, that a little common courtesy and egalitarianism when discussing a friggen GAME is hardly akin to trying to achieve world peace.
Now, if you`ll excuse me... I have some warm friendly fuzzy words I need to post...elsewhere :)
Have a nice day!

Attacking your opponent's character rather than their argument. Great.

I agree wholeheartedly with this. I'm only 19, too young to have played Fallout when it was first released. I fit the "modern gamer" generation, playing primarily console shooters and other games that demand quick reflexes over deep thought. When Fallout 3 was announced, I went to gog and bought the first Fallout. After a little while I got into it until I had finally finished it. By then I had purchased Fallout 3 and began playing it. I think it is a great game in its own regard, even if it is a departure from the traditional Fallout series, and having never played Oblivion, I can't relate to the common complaint of the similarities between the games. After finishing 3, I felt that the experience was rewarding and I'm now excited for the DLC. I recently started Fallout 2, and I'm enjoying it as well. It's unfair to judge my generation as shallow and idiotic in our taste of games. Fallout 3 is responsible for introducing me to the Fallout series and I'm grateful.

You aren't really a "modern gamer" if you're 19. You probably just weren't into video games when Fallout came out.
What you are is a mainstream gamer, which is a very large group of varied individuals. Companies these days continue to make shallow and idiotic games because they sell well to the masses of mainstream gamers, who are ignorant and/or apathetic about video games.
Of course because these companies continue to make shallow and idiotic games, more mainstream gamers are constantly created. It's a vicious cycle.

When I first tried FO2, I was underwhelmed too, but back then, the idea of "multiple approaches to a solution" was still very fresh and new. The dialogue was also great. I played until Klamath, and that was when I got hooked
Too bad games these days pamper the newer generation with easy-to-access gameplay, removing all difficulty curves and giving them the goods almost at the start of the game. Not that the goods are of any decent quality
See, no matter how hard I try to enjoy FO3, it just seems to fall short of any expectations, whether as an FPS or RPG. I had a lot of fun with STALKER, and like FO3, I was very skeptical too. Now, I don't think STALKER is anymore of an RPG than FO3 is, but I think STALKER was a genuinely fun treat - it didn't attempt to dumb down any aspects. It was as hard as you'd expect from a first person shooter with some mild RPG elements
But FO3...now, FO3 attempts to recreate an RPG, and give it a new polish, but where it fails is that, to me, it just ends up nowhere. I'd like to give it credit where due - the environments are nice - but that's where it stops. I honestly can't say the dialogue is fantastically crafted, because tbh even Neverwinter Nights has more interesting dialogue (and I already consider NWN singleplayer to be blasphemy). So what does that make Fallout 3? I don't know. I do know, however, that it doesn't deserve all that hype and glory
Would they? Do you really think they would? Because to me, it seems that a lot of people raving on and on about FO3 are 70% interested in gore, 20% interested in exploration, 10% interested in an RPG
True. I'm only a few years older, but my first game was like Ultima V I think, so my exposure to games started very early
OTOH I know people who are 25 and think Warcraft 3's the first RTS to be created

To Advocates of Fallout 3,
I think the main sentiment of Fallout 1 & 2 fans is that FO3 doesn't necessarily suck when taken as a stand alone game. However, when you attach the Fallout name to anything expectations increase exponentially. For many gamers (including myself) Fallout 1 and 2 epitomize a nearly perfect rpg. Turn-based combat, 3rd person isometric view, Easter eggs, and corny one-liners are all examples of characteristics associated with the first two Fallouts that fans have come to know and love. To take them away is to take away the elements that make Fallout Fallout.
To reiterate, I am not bashing Fallout 3 or any of its fans. Nor am I suggesting you shouldn't play and enjoy Fallout 3. To each his own. I'm only trying to explain why so many fans of the original two Fallouts do not accept the third as a legitimate installment in the series. There is no doubt it's a hit (read: cash cow) and has turned on many new fans to the series. Unfortunately, it has also alienated much of its core fan base in the process. While the quality of Fallout 3 as a game may be debated for a long time to come the one thing for certain is it is a Fallout in name only.

**genuine applause**
Many words have been written here, and all over the web, on this subject... Ive even tried a few myself, but this post just about sums up the whole debate in one simple chunk.
I think the phrase I`m looking for is :
"I couldn`t have put it better myself"
:)
Awesome post.