hudfreegamer: When I first tried Brutal Doom, I loved it.

Then I tried Brutal Doom v20b. Suddenly I didn't like it any more and I couldn't figure out why.

Turns out before I was playing Project Brutality. That has 3 options for how to play:
1. Project Brutality
2. Brutal Doom
3. Normal Doom

I thought playing with the 2nd option (Brutal Doom) meant that it would play just like Brutal Doom. Nope.

Project Brutality is WAY more dynamic. There's more action, more violence, the enemies feel a bit weaker but there's more of them to kill and there's more gore, the sounds feel exactly right, there are additional mods that add little enhancements to the gameplay like a flashlight, a slide kick (which I enjoy), and the visuals seem better.

I recommend Project Brutality over Brutal Doom.

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However, Brutal Doom v 20b has a new corpse dismemberment system which is fun and really feels nice when you throw a grenade or shoot an exploding barrel and the corpses are destroyed along with standing enemies.

When Project Brutality incorporates that, I'll be pleased.

hudfreegamer: Project Brutality is WAY more dynamic. There's more action, more violence, the enemies feel a bit weaker but there's more of them to kill and there's more gore, the sounds feel exactly right, there are additional mods that add little enhancements to the gameplay like a flashlight, a slide kick (which I enjoy), and the visuals seem better.

korell: Which Project Brutality mode is this a description of? Only in Project Brutality there are new monsters (e.g. the Overlord) and some of them are very hard as they can cause massive damage in one hit. There are new weapons in it, too, to compensate I imagine (though I've not played enough PB to get them yet).

Overall, I switch between Brutal Doom, BDJ and Project Brutality. Love all three.

hudfreegamer: Am I going crazy? Project Brutality v20 had a flashlight, right? I remember using it.

I went to play Project Brutality today and I couldn't find the flashlight in the menu options anywhere.

I played around with Brutal Doom Johnny Edition recently, but it wasn't to my liking so I removed it. I used ZDL to run Brutal Doom JE as well as Project Brutality. After doing that, I don't have a flashlight in Project Brutality any more.

I tried removing and reinstalling GZDoom and Project Brutality, but not ZDL. I still don't have a flashlight.

So, am I going crazy? Do I remember a flashlight that was never there? I remember liking it. I remember seeing a different flashlight mod in Johnny Edition that felt too blue and liking the one in Project Brutality more.

GreasyDogMeat: I hadn't really been trying a lot of mods for Doom

Projectsonic: Boy are you in for a treat. There are thousands (oh yes, I mean it) of Doom Wads/Mods out there. Some of them make sweeping gameplay changes that make Brutal Doom look chumpy in comparison like DoomRL Arsenal. Or just a whole different take like GMOTA or Demonsteele. And there are no signs of stopping. Heck, there's even Megaman 8-Bit Deathmatch.

And you can even mix/match wads, meaning you can play big slaughter map Wad with big new guns/rules. Or you can even use something like Oblige to just randomly make maps for you to play. Pretty neat.

makaikishi: Despite the fact that Brutal Doom fanboys love the mod to death (even the novelty of Brutal Doom wore off on me), many of them don't even bother trying other mods like Smooth Doom or Action Doom.

And Brutal Doom being "the way Doom is meant to be played?" Oh, please...

Magmarock: Can't say I see what the drama is about? Is it because he didn't take the threat seriously?