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Tracido: Now, I tried to explain some of this to calm some of them down. The problem is, the moment you do, the fans come pouring in who mock anyone into silence that ANYTHING adult in these games is porn and only porn.

The censorship empowers that entire crowd. Like this guy Araconk or whatever assuming rudness, here.

Until Adults Only is finaly made the standard on consoles, it's just going to only be children's games on everything but PC. You also will be mocked endlessly for daring to even explain alternatives or how they can work around it.
CDPR isn't doing this because fans are forcing it. That's ridiculous. The official forum had to shut down all nudity discussion because the forum was flooding, so I'm pretty sure they (and probably CDPR too) are aware that there's a significant amount of unhappiness about that situation. But on the balance, if they have to choose between having their game available on Playstations or making some players unhappy, what do you think they're going to choose?

The issue isn't the crowd hating on porn. The issue is that Sony don't want nudity on their consoles and CDPR do not want to have different games on PC and console. Thus the lowest common denominator wins. Just be very happy that the game isn't also available on a Nintendo platform.

And as far as your posting privileges, if you're posting there like you are here, then you're obviously going to tick off moderators. That cannot surprise you in the slightest.
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Tracido: Now, I tried to explain some of this to calm some of them down. The problem is, the moment you do, the fans come pouring in who mock anyone into silence that ANYTHING adult in these games is porn and only porn.

The censorship empowers that entire crowd. Like this guy Araconk or whatever assuming rudness, here.

Until Adults Only is finaly made the standard on consoles, it's just going to only be children's games on everything but PC. You also will be mocked endlessly for daring to even explain alternatives or how they can work around it.
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Arachnarok_Rider: CDPR isn't doing this because fans are forcing it. That's ridiculous. The official forum had to shut down all nudity discussion because the forum was flooding, so I'm pretty sure they (and probably CDPR too) are aware that there's a significant amount of unhappiness about that situation. But on the balance, if they have to choose between having their game available on Playstations or making some players unhappy, what do you think they're going to choose?

The issue isn't the crowd hating on porn. The issue is that Sony don't want nudity on their consoles and CDPR do not want to have different games on PC and console. Thus the lowest common denominator wins. Just be very happy that the game isn't also available on a Nintendo platform.

And as far as your posting privileges, if you're posting there like you are here, then you're obviously going to tick off moderators. That cannot surprise you in the slightest.
No one cares at all about it, including myself other than to explain the differences between with and without it, but since all you do is rudely judge, you're clearly a fanatic

The game itself is an absolute mess. I'd also never speak to stuck up fanatics who attack anyone anyway, especially with assumptioons like yours.

CDPR absolutely forcing this hot steaming pile of trash onto consoles, which INCLUDES forcing all the censorship, and they KNEW they would have to cut content, that is clearly force.

They also KNEW the people it would draw by doing it.

They did it on purpose to drum up controversy in the first place.
Post edited January 07, 2021 by Tracido
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Arachnarok_Rider: CDPR isn't doing this because fans are forcing it. That's ridiculous. The official forum had to shut down all nudity discussion because the forum was flooding, so I'm pretty sure they (and probably CDPR too) are aware that there's a significant amount of unhappiness about that situation. But on the balance, if they have to choose between having their game available on Playstations or making some players unhappy, what do you think they're going to choose?

The issue isn't the crowd hating on porn. The issue is that Sony don't want nudity on their consoles and CDPR do not want to have different games on PC and console. Thus the lowest common denominator wins. Just be very happy that the game isn't also available on a Nintendo platform.

And as far as your posting privileges, if you're posting there like you are here, then you're obviously going to tick off moderators. That cannot surprise you in the slightest.
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Tracido: No one cares at all about it, including myself other than to explain the differences between with and without it, but since all you do is rudely judge, you're clearly a fanatic

The game itself is an absolute mess. I'd also never speak to stuck up fanatics who attack anyone anyway, especially with assumptioons like yours.

CDPR absolutely forcing this hot steaming pile of trash onto consoles, which INCLUDES forcing all the censorship, and they KNEW they would have to cut content, that is clearly force.

They also KNEW the people it would draw by doing it.

They did it on purpose to drum up controversy in the first place.
All your ranting about how other people want to censor porn and stuff is pretty much just nonsense. And it generalizes everybody else, thus it becomes impolite nonsense. Thus it gets a harsh response at the official forum. That's not me judging you, that's just reality of how the official forum works.

As far as adult content in this game, if I thought there was any kind of point in doing so then I'd scream my lungs out about CDPR being spineless cretins that pushed Sony's pathetic standards onto the PC version. But I don't. It's a lost cause. CDPR would rather ridicule themselves than actually deliver an adult cyberpunk experience. It's their choice, I don't like it, but there's not a whole lot to do about it.

And CDPR is not forcing the censorship onto consoles. They're being forced by the gatekeepers of games on consoles to apply that censorship, and since CDPR refuses to diverge between console versions and PC versions then the console censorship is pushed to PC as well.

Lastly, yes, the game is an absolute mess, though personally I'm tempted to use much stronger words about it. As a developer and long time gamer, the game represents almost everything I despise in a software project. It's fun and giggles for a while, but it doesn't do what they advertised it would, it does not seem to know what it is supposed to do, and it glitches and bugs out all over the fucking place. And even the stuff that works looks like it was put together by spare parts from a scrapyard held on by bailing wire and duct tape.
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Tracido: No one cares at all about it, including myself other than to explain the differences between with and without it, but since all you do is rudely judge, you're clearly a fanatic

The game itself is an absolute mess. I'd also never speak to stuck up fanatics who attack anyone anyway, especially with assumptioons like yours.

CDPR absolutely forcing this hot steaming pile of trash onto consoles, which INCLUDES forcing all the censorship, and they KNEW they would have to cut content, that is clearly force.

They also KNEW the people it would draw by doing it.

They did it on purpose to drum up controversy in the first place.
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Arachnarok_Rider: All your ranting about how other people want to censor porn and stuff is pretty much just nonsense. And it generalizes everybody else, thus it becomes impolite nonsense. Thus it gets a harsh response at the official forum. That's not me judging you, that's just reality of how the official forum works.

As far as adult content in this game, if I thought there was any kind of point in doing so then I'd scream my lungs out about CDPR being spineless cretins that pushed Sony's pathetic standards onto the PC version. But I don't. It's a lost cause. CDPR would rather ridicule themselves than actually deliver an adult cyberpunk experience. It's their choice, I don't like it, but there's not a whole lot to do about it.

And CDPR is not forcing the censorship onto consoles. They're being forced by the gatekeepers of games on consoles to apply that censorship, and since CDPR refuses to diverge between console versions and PC versions then the console censorship is pushed to PC as well.

Lastly, yes, the game is an absolute mess, though personally I'm tempted to use much stronger words about it. As a developer and long time gamer, the game represents almost everything I despise in a software project. It's fun and giggles for a while, but it doesn't do what they advertised it would, it does not seem to know what it is supposed to do, and it glitches and bugs out all over the fucking place. And even the stuff that works looks like it was put together by spare parts from a scrapyard held on by bailing wire and duct tape.
I didn't either, you are acting like that's literally all that's been discussed. I only spoke on those who ACTUALLY said EXACTLY what I said. I didn't SINGLE anyone out, I spoke about the attitudes themselves, in general. You're assuming is pointless and adds nothing.

I seriously, did not care, I was trying to explain how it can be done on PC, giving examples, and being dogpiled bby actual people saying NOTHING outside of PORN is rated Adults Only.

At least we can agree on that much for your last paragraph..
Post edited January 07, 2021 by Tracido
Just took a look and WOW, it IS pixelated shit! :-O

Why would they wreck the vending machine textures on PC?
I can see doin that on old gen consoles, but pc and next gen consoles???
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midrand: What I don't understand is that nobody forced their hand on declaring this or that "adult" feature or ability to customize the character's d*ck. They were perfectly aware of what is or isn't acceptable on consoles (Witcher 3 was released on same consoles we are talking about) yet they chose to make statements and then backtrack on them 720 degrees. That deserves backlash and I'm glad to see it coming.

They are the authors - they could make CP2077 as "adult" or as "PG friendly" as they choose to FROM THE BEGINNING.

I've now moved on to Red Dead Redemption 2 voyage I have not finished previously - that game has no nudity at all. And it never promised any. Perfectly fine approach.
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Arachnarok_Rider: Well, it doesn't make sense that they didn't own up to reality right away and claimed to be making a dark and mature game, that far I agree, but the harsh reality is that while CDPR are the authors, they still depend on external partners in order to get their game sold. They can't sell anything on the Playstation ecosystem without getting it approved by Sony, and it stands to reason that Sony has gotten seriously cranky after the refund situation. But even with a happy Sony, it just isn't on to have the same game on console and PC and have that game contain mature things.
I understand their challenges, but they knew exactly what would and would not fly on consoles, Stadia and whatever other supply chain they would like to make extra bucks on. This should have been incorporated into the design decisions from the start.

Furthermore, even Witcher 3 has more explicit nudity than this game - how did that get approved?
Post edited January 07, 2021 by midrand
This game has explicit nudity, and you guys are ranting over some pixelated text? Of all things? Really?

If this were censorship, there'd be plenty of other things to censor first, like some aspects of character creation for example.
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Anthroposcaster: I have been playing, and enjoying CP2077 despite the many MANY MAAAANNNY stupid things PR has done since launch. I have just noticed, (post Hotfix 1.06) that V's vending machine in his apartment has changed... see screenshot.

At first I thought it was just my textures not loading or something, so I tinkered with my graphics settings (at maximum) and rebooted the game and everything. no luck. The texture on the vending machine screen remains pixelated. Now, for those of you who never bothered looking at the screen, it is supposed to be perfectly clear, with many options on it for what V might want. (Accounting for why he doesn't need a kitchen in his place.) This includes "Joygirls, Joyboys, and Braindances) among other things. It makes sense. It's just that little extra bit of emersion.

Well... it;s gone. is it just -my- game? Is this just some stupid texture issue on my save, or is this some pathetic effort at censorship? These whole shit shows have me paranoid.
ads around the city may end up pixelated too? including banners in the buildings? some are very cool, quite sexual, I really enjoy.

The Watson Whore ad is fucking hilarious.
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s1drano: This game has explicit nudity, and you guys are ranting over some pixelated text? Of all things? Really?

If this were censorship, there'd be plenty of other things to censor first, like some aspects of character creation for example.
In one single place - the character creation screen. Why - only CDPR knows.

Explain to me the purpose of having explicit nudity on the character creation screen - but then cover up 99% of the whores, strippers etc. in the in-game world and your fellow bed partners during cutscenes? What is the deep philosophical meaning of this design choice - other than for sensationalism during pre-ordering period? It has no meaning, serves no purpose and feels completely misaligned - on the one hand I have an adult protagonist with all his or her private parts proudly protruding on the inventory screen, but on the other hand he or she is the only one in the whole world that has not grown underwear and/or clothing onto the skin (except when showering or looking in the mirror that is).

There definitely was and is censorship in this game. Stupid one I might add.
Post edited January 08, 2021 by midrand
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midrand: In one single place - the character creation screen. Why - only CDPR knows.

Explain to me the purpose of having explicit nudity on the character creation screen - but then cover up 99% of the whores, strippers etc. in the in-game world and your fellow bed partners during cutscenes?
Are we even playing the same game?

I'm seeing nipples in the Milfguard video ad, nipples in most romance scenes (the V x River Ward scene even shows V with full frontal nudity in a mirror reflection), and there's plenty more suggestive stuff going on in Night City.

But no, let's all cry over the "censorship" of some vending machine text that might or might not say "Joyboy" or "Joygirl". That's exactly why we all spent $60 on this game...

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And just after what I just wrote, I came across a new ad with visible nipples... right in front of V's apartment.

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Milfguard: https://www.gog.com/upload/forum/2021/01/2c483d102f8811e4a0a716ffa381ce53a99c257f.jpg
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Post edited January 08, 2021 by s1drano
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midrand: In one single place - the character creation screen. Why - only CDPR knows.

Explain to me the purpose of having explicit nudity on the character creation screen - but then cover up 99% of the whores, strippers etc. in the in-game world and your fellow bed partners during cutscenes?
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s1drano: Are we even playing the same game?

I'm seeing nipples in the Milfguard video ad, nipples in most romance scenes (the V x River Ward scene even shows V with full frontal nudity in a mirror reflection), and there's plenty more suggestive stuff going on in Night City.

But no, let's all cry over the "censorship" of some vending machine text that might or might not say "Joyboy" or "Joygirl". That's exactly why we all spent $60 on this game...

EDIT:
And just after what I just wrote, I came across a new ad with visible nipples... right in front of V's apartment.

EDIT 2:
Milfguard: https://www.gog.com/upload/forum/2021/01/2c483d102f8811e4a0a716ffa381ce53a99c257f.jpg
Yup.

Some stuff in censored, some not... no idea why anything is. :-o
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midrand: In one single place - the character creation screen. Why - only CDPR knows.

Explain to me the purpose of having explicit nudity on the character creation screen - but then cover up 99% of the whores, strippers etc. in the in-game world and your fellow bed partners during cutscenes?
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s1drano: Are we even playing the same game?

I'm seeing nipples in the Milfguard video ad, nipples in most romance scenes (the V x River Ward scene even shows V with full frontal nudity in a mirror reflection), and there's plenty more suggestive stuff going on in Night City.

But no, let's all cry over the "censorship" of some vending machine text that might or might not say "Joyboy" or "Joygirl". That's exactly why we all spent $60 on this game...

EDIT:
And just after what I just wrote, I came across a new ad with visible nipples... right in front of V's apartment.

EDIT 2:
Milfguard: https://www.gog.com/upload/forum/2021/01/2c483d102f8811e4a0a716ffa381ce53a99c257f.jpg
I'm not talking about ads - i'm talking about models in the game and cutscenes. FFS, the only passable "adult" cutscene is the one from Johnny's flashback with Alt. I don't care about vending machines or ads one bit - I looked at them once or twice and then I don't notice them anymore. I talk about the game overall - choice and use of nudity or lack thereof in this game is bizarre.

Either have no nudity in the game or have it in all the right places. Both are just fine. Don't sit on the fence and don't sensationalize to make money - not good.
Post edited January 08, 2021 by midrand
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s1drano: Are we even playing the same game?

I'm seeing nipples in the Milfguard video ad, nipples in most romance scenes (the V x River Ward scene even shows V with full frontal nudity in a mirror reflection), and there's plenty more suggestive stuff going on in Night City.

But no, let's all cry over the "censorship" of some vending machine text that might or might not say "Joyboy" or "Joygirl". That's exactly why we all spent $60 on this game...

EDIT:
And just after what I just wrote, I came across a new ad with visible nipples... right in front of V's apartment.

EDIT 2:
Milfguard: https://www.gog.com/upload/forum/2021/01/2c483d102f8811e4a0a716ffa381ce53a99c257f.jpg
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ast486: Yup.

Some stuff in censored, some not... no idea why anything is. :-o
This is something that I wonder, how long to become pixelated too. I truly love the TV ads, the talk show, the banners, they are great.
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ast486: Yup.

Some stuff in censored, some not... no idea why anything is. :-o
Occam's razor: "the simplest explanation is usually the right one."
Maybe there is no censorship. That'd be the simplest explanation for why some stuff is "censored" and some isn't.

The Witcher didn't portray penetration in its sex scenes either, and nobody cried "censorship" back then. Why should Cyberpunk 2077 be any different?
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ast486: Yup.

Some stuff in censored, some not... no idea why anything is. :-o
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s1drano: Occam's razor: "the simplest explanation is usually the right one."
Maybe there is no censorship. That'd be the simplest explanation for why some stuff is "censored" and some isn't.

The Witcher didn't portray penetration in its sex scenes either, and nobody cried "censorship" back then. Why should Cyberpunk 2077 be any different?
Um, look, if you're a real fan, you would remember, how much they went the extra MILE in Witcher 2, for us as an ADULT audience, re-submitting the sex scenes around 50 times to get an M rating but keep as much content as possible.. Clearly, that's not how this went down this time.