If you really are worried about your personal information you would not be in the internet or any online service in the first place. We are living in an information society now. Of course it is good to be wary of your personal information but it cannot be a reason to deflect new services anymore. I trust the EU GDPR to get Microsoft into EU court before they can say "cat" if they start to pull off something really dubious. Total anonymity is impossible nowadays and we all have to adjust. The times are changing and you cannot do anything about it no matter how hard you try so you need to adjust and trust the legislators to protect you and demand those rights where need be. And if they are not you need to demand it from them or vote for better ones. But trying to shield yourself fron jet fighters by using a propeller aircraft is not going to help.

Also to you Russian guys I would be much more worried about your own government tracking you than I would about some private business doing so. You probably are registered to VK to be tracked by your own government? As a Finn I kinda have an inbuilt filter to Russian government bullshittery. :)

I recently switched to linux from Win7, because of the impending EOL. So far I've gotten all of the games I care about to run, including Subnautica, Mass Effect, and a few others that are supposedly windows-only.

So, while I'm not going to pre-order Cyberpunk since it's not listing linux support, I'm optimistic that after it comes out there will be ways to get it running, and I'll purchase after hearing initial reports of success in that regard.

Sorry, but you ARE wrong. Microsoft DENIES us the right of choice. We MUST accept ALL the shit THEY decide to install on OUR PCs.
Not going to happen on MY PC.

No, it does NOT work that way with Win10. You can shutdown SOME of remote control, but not whole of it unless you are not connected to Internet physically.

We'll see about it.
I'm not talking about information I provide myself to various groups & services online. I'm talking about my RIGHT to decide what I install or do not install on my PC. And no corporation has the right to dictate me.


Well, as a Russian I kinda have an inbuilt filter to Western bullshittery. :)
And I DO worry about our FSB & police boys sticking their noses in my private life.
But it does not mean that I believe in benevolence of an american corporation.
Not because it's american, but because it's a corporation

Yeah I get what you are saying. Ultimately it comes down to the fact what bullshittery we accept from who. I believe in benevolence of American corporation because they must follow the EU GDPR rules or get sued to EU court. It has held them well in place since EU has a good track record of protecting consumer rights. Of course you can always decide what you install but if that piece of software is getting totally out of date you might run into problems. I really hope that Linux gets more prevalent actually since it is a Finnish invention but until then I put my life into the hands of Microsoft just for the convenience and hope GDPR protect me from their worst bullshittery. :)

So you're saying that letting someone else see all the mail I've written, all the personal stuff like photos and sources, everything I type on the keyboard, all my personal projects, my private searches in Tor is quite reasonable because it's Zeitgeist now? It's this kind of acceptance (or indifference) that got us into such a time in the first place. If you're willing to share your bed with some agency half the world apart, it's only your choice, but from the common sense and reason perspective it's a bizarre choice.

You won't believe the amount of bullshit from up high we're getting here, and tracking is the least of our concerns. You probably wouldn't stomach a year in these parts granted you understand how does everything stand here. But this is not the story we're after in this thread, aren't we?

Ah, come on, don't be so naïve...

I have nothing against any Russian, don't get me wrong. I do have many things against your government but that is a different story. I totally agree with you that you should not be conserned with what you do on your computer or your free time. But the rise of information society is a fact. Now we must ensure our legislators are the type that can handle it for us. One person is only so much but we have a political system to defend us. Or if they don't we should change the people in charge. But the problem is that by yourself you are only going to be able to shield yourself from limited things. We must work together to limit the power of companies and power of government agencies, no matter which is the biggest problem in our respective country. World is a global information society now. We need to work together to make it a fair one for everyone. I know this is a hard subject and I am digressing but it is a reality that faces us all at the moment. I am trying to work my way through the times we live in and think what we can do to improve it. The times are changing. We need to be active in adjusting it as a whole. I know the difference between the US and Russia in this regard currently is ridiculous. It is a global world of information technology and we all have a long way to go to adjust into that. And the ones who are the first to do so are the best off as a whole. But the choice between Win7 and Win10 hardly do any difference in the grand scheme of things.

You also believe in democracy... Then we're not living on the same planet mate, and I'd really like to reach yours, but the cold hard gravity is not letting me go. :-\

As I said before, in the face of "habitational issues", my beef with W10 is the least of my worries so we can agree at least on this. The topic's gone way wide of the intended course, so I suggest we better stop here.

w7 is 25.62% according to May k19 survey.
Also DX12 is released (they had to =)) for windows 7.

still 8th and 9th generation CPUs require new mobo, most of which work only under the newer OS.

let's be clear: I never heard (yet) that russian FSB grab some servers in foreign country, or arrests there someone who's business they don't like. So as a Finn you have to more prefer russian than US services :P

side of joking, I'm personally don't use VK, Facebook or some EGS either. Most of such services even blocked on my gateway so no even guests can reach them from my LAN.
But anyway it's the person choice whom he/she to trust and whom doesn't. (e.g. I have more trust to Chinese and Russian governments than to US one)
Moreover, we talking about corporations. I employed much time in EU (most of my nearest live in Baltic States) and I see much bullshit as well as about US gov, same as corporations. And having few MCP (started from MCDST) I have no illusions about Microsoft policy. Any corporation is corporation itself, no exceptions.

Man, it's cyberpunk topic, do I have unveil such common things? =]

p.s. American corporations in most cases don't give a s#it about EU GDPR. Some are pretending, others don’t care at all. I remember well how Google collect my locations data for a years even while it was directly restricted by settings.

That's how Nazism came to Germany - "the choice between NSDAP and other german political parties hardly do any difference in the grand scheme of things".

You are now comparing some corporation that want to get money from your personal information to the nazis. Not even gonna comment on that.

And I know you cannot much speak about democracy in Russia but where I come from different parties (of the 19 there is ) constantly change place in popularity based on how people vote. So yeah, don't blame me for believeing in democracy. I know about the propblems regarding this in Russia.

And as I said I do not agree with all the bullshit companies do and legislation has not caught up with it yeat so we need to be vocal to change that. Fighting your personal fight in your bedroom helps no-one. But on the other hand it might be best for the Russian to just concentrate on fixing your democracy first. And I would say the same to the fucking Americans since they are a corporate plutocracy, not a democracy.

EU is not too far from it (although it's generally safe to assume that your situation is a bit better). It's corpocracy, you called it yourself and it's holding this world a hostage for a while now.
Three Russians and a Fin talking politics in silence of the seemingly abandoned thread. What's this world come to? I'm off to bed.

Right. The problem with w10 is that M$ want to have a total control my PC: what to install and what not to. They want to delete programs and files they want (e.g. as it was with cpu-z), watch my pictures and so on.
Not even talking about compatibility issues, I'm enough with the problem when one of my clients lost his documents with Windows Update. He was lucky enough to be updated at the forefront.
(sure I personally can use LTSB/C, but... I just don't want to support all of this s#it)

In anyway, the topic was: "Is it Windows 10 only?"
user may even, idk, suffer from "tenophobia" :D (as kind of numerophobia)
the question is and answer needed for some people make their decision.

Of course :)
So, the difference between OS you control & OS that controls you are "incredibly very far-fletched" from a political party that obeys rules (pre-NSDAP Germany Parliament) and a political party that makes rules (3rd Reich time).
Yeah, no comments :)


Of course, of course - we have an Iron Curtain (but a Finn can visit Peterburg any freaking day :) ), mass-murdering despotic Empire and hundreds - no, scratch that - THOUSANDS of GULAGs (btw, for all you western ppl - GULAG is not a concentration camp, but an institution, so there can be only 1 (one) GULAG at any given time, but - I digress).

I knew I shouldn't have started this post :-) It's opened up the Windows 10 can of worms again!

Hopefully someone from CDPR can confirm if the game is indeed Win 10 only.

For myself, I won't be installing Windows 10 and if Cyberpunk won't work on 7 then I'll have to get it on console. I'm of the old school of PC users that think their personal information is theirs to give out and not for someone else to take, and their PC is theirs to control and not for the OS to work against me - or advertise to me.

Anyway.... back to the arguing!

Ditto for me. ;)