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I wish that i could tell them all personally that they're doing fine, they dont deserve the backlash that they did not even deserve
Could you show us hard facts about the mistreatment of the CDPR employees? Because no one showed something like that. Somehow everyone, like you, seems to be an magic expert in peeking through walls over the distance of an ocean.
Btw. my job also forces me to work extra from time to time and that's ok. I get compensated for that, by quality time or money, my decision which one. My country in contrast to yours, have quite strict laws against the abuse of employers and even here it is legal possible to have 6 workdays a week and extra hours. Btw I also never saw any numbers from actual CDPR developers what their workhours are and if they feel abused by it.
What I like to tell you is: you are talking bullshit.

Or are you talking about the criticism regarding the endless delays? Where the criticism hits the COMPANY not the developer? You get the difference? No? Thought so.
Post edited October 29, 2020 by wintermute.
how dare anyone call them out on their bullshit, don't you know you're just suppose to give your money and never expect a product?
I suspect Jason is referencing the rather ridiculous vitriol that individual devs are getting thrown at them on SoMe because of this delay, something which was entirely beyond their control.

The idea that the criticism is only directed against the company and not against the individual workers is somewhat optimistic and probably not entirely accurate.

I agree with Jason. By all accounts, the actual devs have done a great job and are doing a great job. The individual devs are awesome. Maybe, probably, there are some internal management issues at CDPR but the devs should not be the target of any negativity over the delay.
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wintermute.: What I like to tell you is: you are talking bullshit.

Or are you talking about the criticism regarding the endless delays? Where the criticism hits the COMPANY not the developer? You get the difference? No? Thought so.
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hampusjo95: how dare anyone call them out on their bullshit, don't you know you're just suppose to give your money and never expect a product?
Cyberpunk developers are getting death threats because of three weeks delay of a VIDEO GAME. Is that fun and good mannered criticism for you?

Seriously guys.
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toomuchusednames: Cyberpunk developers are getting death threats because of three weeks delay of a VIDEO GAME. Is that fun and good mannered criticism for you?

Seriously guys.
Exactly WHEN did I or anyone else here defend deaththreats? WHEN? SHOW ME!
So before you accuse someone of something like that you are better REALLY sure, asshole.
I don't agree nor defend any behavior like this and no sane person would. We talk about criticism, you cretin.
Your pathetic try to invalid other opinions by trying to move them in an clearly illegal and absolute horrible behavior of some idiots is an insult!
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wintermute.: Exactly WHEN did I or anyone else here defend deaththreats? WHEN? SHOW ME!
So before you accuse someone of something like that you are better REALLY sure, asshole.
I don't agree nor defend any behavior like this and no sane person would. We talk about criticism, you cretin.
Your pathetic try to invalid other opinions by trying to move them in an clearly illegal and absolute horrible behavior of some idiots is an insult!
Can't you read or are you just stupid? Nice insults by the way, I bet you can do better.

I didn't claim that you are defending those threats, Jason clearly said; "They dont deserve the backlash that they did not even deserve". He is talking about the developers who does not deserve the backlash which they got, death threats included. They work as hard as they can to get the game shipped.

Then you said; "What I like to tell you is: you are talking bullshit".

Get your salt elsewhere.
Post edited October 29, 2020 by toomuchusednames
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wintermute.: Exactly WHEN did I or anyone else here defend deaththreats? WHEN? SHOW ME!
So before you accuse someone of something like that you are better REALLY sure, asshole.
I don't agree nor defend any behavior like this and no sane person would. We talk about criticism, you cretin.
Your pathetic try to invalid other opinions by trying to move them in an clearly illegal and absolute horrible behavior of some idiots is an insult!
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toomuchusednames: Can't you read or are you just stupid? Nice insults by the way, I bet you can do better.

I didn't claim that you are defending those threats, Jason clearly said; "They dont deserve the backlash that they did not even deserve". He is talking about the developers who does not deserve the backlash which they got, death threats included. They work as hard as they can to get the game shipped.

Then you said; "What I like to tell you is: you are talking bullshit".

Get your salt elsewhere.
There is and was NO word about death threats and you accused me of excusing death threats.
"Is that fun and good mannered criticism for you?"

It is not and I never by the slightest did communicate this. So, you ARE an asshole. Fullstop.
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Arachnarok_Rider: I suspect Jason is referencing the rather ridiculous vitriol that individual devs are getting thrown at them on SoMe because of this delay, something which was entirely beyond their control.

The idea that the criticism is only directed against the company and not against the individual workers is somewhat optimistic and probably not entirely accurate.

I agree with Jason. By all accounts, the actual devs have done a great job and are doing a great job. The individual devs are awesome. Maybe, probably, there are some internal management issues at CDPR but the devs should not be the target of any negativity over the delay.
Might be, I mean the optimistic part. The criticism I read was about CDPR in general not individuals in particular. But I agree: attacking people (especially on a personal level) for trying to do their job isn't civil in any way. It seems I don't follow discussions where death threats are thrown around or the devs in particular got attacked. It is quite clear the problem is on the management level and most likely about contracts, at least it looks something like this to me.
The criticism btw is still valid. The civilized criticism, mind you.
Post edited October 29, 2020 by wintermute.
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wintermute.: There is and was NO word about death threats and you accused me of excusing death threats.
"Is that fun and good mannered criticism for you?"

It is not and I never by the slightest did communicate this. So, you ARE an asshole. Fullstop.
It's the same as you were demanding evidence of mistreatment and called it bullshit.
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Games get delayed, if people are not happy about it they should refund their pre-orders and either wait for it to come out or move on. Criticizing companies is fine, what's not is taking it out on people who work there and likely had nothing to do with the decision to delay the game. Even if they did directly decide to delay it, being abusive and threatening their lives or other physical harm is never acceptable.

*edit: fixed typos
Post edited November 04, 2020 by phogan
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phogan: Games get delayed, if people are not happy about it they should refund their preorders and either and wait for it come out or move on. Criticizing companies is fine, what's not is taking it out on people who work their and likely had nothing to do with the decision to delay the game. Even if they did directly decide to delay it, being abusive and threatening their lives or other physical harm is never acceptable.
Totally agree.

You can criticize CDPR for poor work and maybe time management, maybe for some other things that CDPR might've done poorly.
Hell, you might even cancel your preorder if you can't accept this delay in any way possible, you can do that anytime before the release and no one would mind about that.

But calling CDPR a scam company, attacking them with pitchforks and torches? Sending death threads to the developers team?!
What's wrong with you, people? Why devs at CDPR have to work in such stress, which is all coming from you?
Post edited October 31, 2020 by Sunsper
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phogan: Games get delayed, if people are not happy about it they should refund their preorders and either and wait for it come out or move on. Criticizing companies is fine, what's not is taking it out on people who work their and likely had nothing to do with the decision to delay the game. Even if they did directly decide to delay it, being abusive and threatening their lives or other physical harm is never acceptable.
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Sunsper: Totally agree.

You can criticize CDPR for poor work and maybe time management, maybe for some other things that CDPR might've done poorly.
Hell, you might even cancel your preorder if you can't accept this delay in any way possible, you can do that anytime before the release and no one would mind about that.

But calling CDPR a scam company, attacking them with pitchforks and torches? Sending death threads to the developers team?!
What's wrong with you, people? Why devs at CDPR have to work in such stress, which is all coming from you?
They are entitled children. That's why.
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Post edited October 31, 2020 by Fr0z1nDuDe
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Fr0z1nDuDe: blabla
Here we go again, our white knight in his shining armor of nonsene hopping on every thread and every post which doesn't fit his world view and might be attacking his holy impression on CDPR.
If someone is pissed of about the delay over delay, about how CDPR doesn't get their shit together, then it's their f'ing right to do so. You can simply ignore that while people are venting their anger. They do, me included, and we get over it.
But assholes like you stir oil in the fire by telling people what they are allowed to write and even to think, mr. mindpolice.
You even do your holy CDPR a disservice as the people get even angrier by people like you denying them to vent off their frustration aggravating them even more over CDPR as people aren't always objective and tend to project emotions on the first target which pissed them off, making the situation worse.
So, please tell your opinion, it's your right to do so, and then STFU and stop telling people what they are allowed to do.
There are cases where such behavior is valid, like the deaththreats issue (which I honestly didn't knew about before reading here about it) but in all regards you don't have even remotely the entitlement to tell others what to write and think. And that's all what I read from you: attacking people over their opinion and white knighting.
Post edited November 01, 2020 by wintermute.
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Fr0z1nDuDe: They are entitled children. That's why.
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wintermute.: Here we go again, our white knight in his shining armor of nonsene hopping on every thread and every post which doesn't fit his world view and might be attacking his holy impression on CDPR.
If someone is pissed of about the delay over delay, about how CDPR doesn't get their shit together, then it's their f'ing right to do so. You can simply ignore that while people are venting their anger. They do, me included, and we get over it.
But assholes like you stir oil in the fire by telling people what they are allowed to write and even to think, mr. mindpolice.
You even do your holy CDPR a disservice as the people get even angrier by people like you denying them to vent off their frustration aggravating them even more over CDPR as people aren't always objective and tend to project emotions on the first target which pissed them off, making the situation worse.
So, please tell your opinion, it's your right to do so, and then STFU and stop telling people what they are allowed to do.
There are cases where such behavior is valid, like the deaththreats issue (which I honestly didn't knew about before reading here about it) but in all regards you don't have even remotely the entitlement to tell others what to write and think. And that's all what I read from you: attacking people over their opinion and white knighting.
I'm not a "mindpolice", but I am kind of a grammar police, and your English is horrible.

You can think and write whatever you want. I'm not a mod here. You can vent your anger at CDPR, and I can vent my annoyance of entitled children. That's fair. Even-stevens.

You sound angry. If you can't handle criticism, then you shouldn't criticize others.
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Post edited November 01, 2020 by Fr0z1nDuDe