ast486: Actually ya, I'm gonna go install Mechcommander gold and play that now.

jestofmight: Falling down wounds and headshot wounds make sense. Even being strapped into a harness/seat, you will feel the pain falling 2+ stories when a mech goes down. Same with a headshot. How much kinetic energy is there behind a missile? Both would have a chance of causing a concussion at the very least.

ast486: No they don't.
The entire cockpit is designated to prevent that sort of thing.

Go play Mechcommander Gold or Mechwarrior 4; they're both freeware.

ast486: No they don't.
The entire cockpit is designated to prevent that sort of thing.

Go play Mechcommander Gold or Mechwarrior 4; they're both freeware.

ast486: As a forword, the only other thing that irritated me so much was the crappy 'cinnematic cameras'; all they did was make it impossible to see half the time.
I turned them off except for shoulder cam, so they're not a problem now.

However.... Combat balance is rediculous!

1) Headshots
- Are guaranteed to happen against my mechwarriors between 2 and 5 times per mission... this is JUST with enemies free-firing.
If ya can't be arsed to make it actually have the same percentage to hit the head (2%) that the tactical aim screen has, then disable heashots entirely!

2) Wounds with every headshot.
-When the head armour is intact, this is just stupid!
No wounds should be applicable unless there is no armour on an area and then it should be possible to wound the pilot only when getting a direct shot on the pilot compartment!

3) Falling down wounds
- This is just plain stupid.
There is NO possibility of the pilot getting injured from the mech falling; they are in a reinforced shell with a whole combat pilot seat and harness!

4) Where's the LAMS ???
- No one is going to go into cobat with anything missile firing unless they have 1 or 2 of these systems on... yet they seem to be entirely absent from this game.
BOOOOO!

5) Every long range weapon can fire otuside visual range
- Here's another stupid design choice.
The ENTIRE reason an LRM can be shot from sensor only range is because it is a lock on, self guided weapon specifically designed to function like that.
Ppcs, AC & L lasers should NEVER be able to fire from outside the pilots visual range!

6) Both visual range and radar range are MINISCULE
- Seriously, I could see 10 times farther then that in real life!
- Remember the radar in Mechcommander?
It was awsome! It was one reason I'd have a Raven with me the entire first half of the game!

7) No capturing turrets?
- My favorite thing to do in mechcommander games was to go and capture the turret control buildings, then watch them wreck enemies for me.
This one is a minor complain; I'd still like to be able to do it.
As it stands the only thing I can do in this game is blow up generators to destroy turrets. *sadface*

I don't much like or dislike the rest of the game to any great degree, but the combat just sucks!
The devs need to go back and play mechcommander; they'l learn something about the combat.

This game was clearly made by people with NO understanding of mechcommander or reality.
MechWarrior 5 Mercs had better not suck like this does!

Now I'm gonna go install Mechcommander gold so I can have the enjoyment of what it's actually like to play a fun mechcommander style game!

ast486: I don't much like or dislike the rest of the game to any great degree, but the combat just sucks!
The devs need to go back and play mechcommander; they'l learn something about the combat.

This game was clearly made by people with NO understanding of mechcommander or reality.
MechWarrior 5 Mercs had better not suck like this does!

jestofmight: From the TT rulebook. Don't know what to tell ya bud.

DAMAGING A MECHWARRIOR
Three types of damage to a BattleMech can also damage
the MechWarrior inside: head hits, falling, and internal ammunition
explosions. In addition, excessive heat buildup can result
in damage to the MechWarrior if the BattleMech’s life support
system takes damage.
A MechWarrior can take 5 points of damage before dying
from his injuries.
Head Hits
The MechWarrior takes 1 point of damage whenever the
BattleMech’s head is hit, even if the hit does not penetrate the
’Mech’s armor.
Falling
Ifthe BattleMechfalls,the MechWarriormustmake a Piloting
Skill Roll. If he fails the roll,the pilot takes 1 point of damage.
Ammunition Explosions
An internal ammunition explosion causes 2 points of
damage to the MechWarrior as a result of the electric shock he
receives through his neurohelmet.

mishona:

jestofmight: In the two cases I brought up TT for, it's valid. I'm not defending the game, just stating that a huge fall and a massive shot to the face will hurt and has hurt. Simple as that.

The game has experience points and pilot skill progression. TT does not. They wanted to add that dynamic to the game for whatever reason and looked at a way to support it. Nope, not balanced really and some of it just doesn't make sense.

mishona: Why do I have 3 health without major investment in guts? Where's my piloting check to mitigate damage with the much lower hp? Where's the consideration for the fact that straight up, you get dumped on in action economy and value per wound yet they decided to make pilots much more fragile? Why am I taking damage for side torsos going pop. Your bringing up TT doesn't actually help your case.

jestofmight: In the two cases I brought up TT for, it's valid. I'm not defending the game, just stating that a huge fall and a massive shot to the face will hurt and has hurt. Simple as that.

The game has experience points and pilot skill progression. TT does not. They wanted to add that dynamic to the game for whatever reason and looked at a way to support it. Nope, not balanced really and some of it just doesn't make sense.

ast486: Thanks for adding that.
It explains why that part feels like a purely punishing feature; there's no upside to it and nothing to counter it!

JasonMiao: A quick google search shows that table top has exp and skill progression. I've never played, so don't know if the dev implementation is the same, but it's there.