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i see on gog there is a mod to make the Baldur's Gate games better what is the diffrent about the Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition. and the old one whit mod?????
Baldur's Gate with mods work. Baldur's Gate EE is bugged to ballyhoo and back, and is much more expensive. Easy choice.

There are also a couple new characters in BGEE.

Not sure what the case is now, but they stopped sale on it, so there must be some issue with copyright or something. Think I heard it was still sold on Shite though, but I don't go near that vermin-infested place so can't tell you if that is true or not.
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Pangaea666: Baldur's Gate with mods work. Baldur's Gate EE is bugged to ballyhoo and back, and is much more expensive. Easy choice.

There are also a couple new characters in BGEE.

Not sure what the case is now, but they stopped sale on it, so there must be some issue with copyright or something. Think I heard it was still sold on Shite though, but I don't go near that vermin-infested place so can't tell you if that is true or not.
i see on steam its sell for 3,49euro. so the mod is much better then this. becase here you only get 1 baldurs gate and not the 2 one
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Pangaea666: Baldur's Gate with mods work. Baldur's Gate EE is bugged to ballyhoo and back, and is much more expensive. Easy choice.

There are also a couple new characters in BGEE.

Not sure what the case is now, but they stopped sale on it, so there must be some issue with copyright or something. Think I heard it was still sold on Shite though, but I don't go near that vermin-infested place so can't tell you if that is true or not.
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kmja: i see on steam its sell for 3,49euro. so the mod is much better then this. becase here you only get 1 baldurs gate and not the 2 one
I'm honestly not quite sure what you're trying to say through the broken english, but you can buy BG1 and BG2 here and use mods to get everything that BG:EE offers except for the three new characters. Also, BG:EE doesn't include BG2 at all.
Post edited July 19, 2013 by Shadowsetzer
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kmja: i see on gog there is a mod to make the Baldur's Gate games better what is the diffrent about the Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition. and the old one whit mod?????
The difference is that, with mods, the original has everything that EE has (yes, even characters), without the plethora of EE introduced bugs. The Enhanced Edition is nothing more than a mod that had official backing and finance. Furthermore, it has officially been pulled from sale on Beamdog and Apple store, and will not be updated for the foreseeable future (no patches!), because of contractual issues (read copyright) with Atari. It's a joke.

Edit: another thing is, that the EE edition wipes out every single mod you have installed each and every time it does install a patch.
Post edited July 19, 2013 by Hickory
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kmja: i see on gog there is a mod to make the Baldur's Gate games better what is the diffrent about the Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition. and the old one whit mod?????
If you have never played Baldur's Gate, you might as well grab the Enhanced Edition from Steam, if it's cheap. It worked fine for me, and I didn't encounter any significant bugs. Or you can buy the original version from GOG and play it "vanilla". But I don't see any point in buying the original, and then modding the hell out of it, when you can just buy the EE.
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kmja: i see on gog there is a mod to make the Baldur's Gate games better what is the diffrent about the Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition. and the old one whit mod?????
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Ignoramus: If you have never played Baldur's Gate, you might as well grab the Enhanced Edition from Steam, if it's cheap. It worked fine for me, and I didn't encounter any significant bugs. Or you can buy the original version from GOG and play it "vanilla". But I don't see any point in buying the original, and then modding the hell out of it, when you can just buy the EE.
thats true but i only get nr 1. ihave played nr 1 but that was a long time a go. and i still need nr 2
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Ignoramus: But I don't see any point in buying the original, and then modding the hell out of it, when you can just buy the EE.
I can see a few:
- BG1 NPC project
- Unfinished business
- Lots of spell/item packs
- Less bugs when using fixpacks

But mostly the NPC project. I also have BGEE, but withou the NPC project your companions feel so boring and lifeless. I just can't play the game without it anymore.
Post edited July 19, 2013 by Gromuhl
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Ignoramus: If you have never played Baldur's Gate, you might as well grab the Enhanced Edition from Steam, if it's cheap. It worked fine for me, and I didn't encounter any significant bugs. Or you can buy the original version from GOG and play it "vanilla". But I don't see any point in buying the original, and then modding the hell out of it, when you can just buy the EE.
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kmja: thats true but i only get nr 1. ihave played nr 1 but that was a long time a go. and i still need nr 2
if you already have played BG1 and want BG2, then BG:EE is certainly not what you want, as that is BG1 (Enbuggered Edition). They had planned to make BG2:EE as well, but with copyright issues now, that may never happen.

Pick up BG:EE if you want of course, it's your money, but I wouldn't do it. Unfortunate you missed the sale here, because you could have picked up both for a good price, and other classic RPG games too if you wanted.
I've been playing a lot of (mod laden) BG1 the last few weeks, so I've been curious about BGEE and picked it up on Steam this morning.

I have a friend who's played a lot of BGEE and hasn't had bug issues, so bad bugs may just have been an old version of BGEE.

Oh, this post got away from me a bit so here's a summary of my thinking -
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Modding scares you, okay with Steam: Get BGEE
Hate DRM: BG1/2 (or wait for BGEE to come to GOG)
Love mods: BG1+2 (at least for now)
Don't care about BG2: Get BGEE
Must have the prettiest: Get BGEE (although BG1/2 + Widescreen is good, and w_gui is very nice)
Want to play straight through BG1 and BG2: Get BG1+BG2 - mod with BG Trilogy
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BGEE hands down beats plain BG1 on UI and play (widescreen without Trilogy), so even for DRM phobic folks I'd suggest BGEE if you don't want to buy BG2.

If you want to play BG2 and don't mind waiting for Beamdog to put out BG2EE (assuming the publisher issues with Atari aren't insurmountable) then there's thinking to do...

Pro BGEE vs Mod BG1+2
* No modding required
* Some genuine visual improvements.
BGEE mostly uses the same graphic resources as BG1, but you can zoom in and out (and zooming out at the long end hides the blockiness of the original graphics). There are bits and pieces of graphic niceness added - animated smoke from Candlekeep Inn chimneys. Colours seem a little better, but I suspect this is my fiddling with brightness/contrast on BG1+2...
* Cleaned up management UI - for instance, more consistent spell book/scroll presentation. Also gives a total score field when rolling for initial stats (nice for min-maxers)
* Optimised for modern resolutions
Old BG can be widescreened easily, but some elements like the map don't scale (so you end up with a 640x480 map surrounded by a big, nicely presented, frame perhaps with black side bars). Same with management screens.
* Supports commercial development of BG (assuming the issues Beamdog have had with their publisher are sorted out)

Pro BG1+2 + mods
* Offers straight play through BG 1, 2, Throne of Bhaal (with BG Trilogy mod)
* Actually has BG2 (which will hopefully come out for BGEE when they sort out the Atari related distribution strife).
* More mods (although BGEE is basically BG1 on BG2 engine - like BG tutu/Trilogy - some mods work and some don't)
* DRM Free (Steam folks go on about BGEE having no DRM "except for Steam" :) )
Post edited July 19, 2013 by Geeel
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Geeel: I've been playing a lot of (mod laden) BG1 the last few weeks, so I've been curious about BGEE and picked it up on Steam this morning.

I have a friend who's played a lot of BGEE and hasn't had bug issues, so bad bugs may just have been an old version of BGEE.
According to the developers, what happened was that their contract called for it to only be sold their store (beamdog), except then suddenly atari put an alpha version on steam (full of bugs that were fixed in latest version) and falsely claiming it was the final version. And pointed out at some fine print they missed that allowed them to do that.

Then atari's legal department ordered beamdog to stop selling it through their store and apple store so now it can only be sold through atari's own channels (their store and steam), where atari gets all the money and they get none. As a result they stopped development (mid patch I might add). They seriously suck at reading contracts... then again, atari is a bunch of morons too who are scaring off any future potential business partner

That all being said, even the so called "finished" version had a lot of new bugs introduced. Didn't really improve the game in a worthwhile manner, focused on porting it to tablets for some insane reason instead of properly upgrading the game (although they are contractually not ALLOWED to make changes to the core game, only make DLCs for it... again, total messup on their legal team's part).

The whole thing is a sad pathetic joke that isn't worth anyone's time. Get BG1+BG2 on gog and install trilogy which combines them into a single game; and also adds dialog to provide proper continuity in case you finished BG1 with an alignment or party other than what is assumed... the assumed is a good party composed of you, Imoen, Khalid, Jaheira, Minsc, and Dynaheir.
Post edited July 20, 2013 by taltamir
Was, BG:EE even made by guys who worked on the original? If not, then how is it any different than any fan mods that add new content other than the fact you have to pay for it? Is EE even drm free?
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Arthandas: Was, BG:EE even made by guys who worked on the original? If not, then how is it any different than any fan mods that add new content other than the fact you have to pay for it? Is EE even drm free?
A lot of the Beamdog folks worked on the original BG/BG2 series, and also reached out to a lot of us modders in the community.

As for DRM, it depends on your definition. If you have it through Beamdog you need a Beamdog account to get the game, but after the initial download it's entirely portable, can be installed anywhere, and doesn't phone home.

The legal situation is a GD mess.
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Arthandas: Was, BG:EE even made by guys who worked on the original? If not, then how is it any different than any fan mods that add new content other than the fact you have to pay for it? Is EE even drm free?
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pcamagna: A lot of the Beamdog folks worked on the original BG/BG2 series, and also reached out to a lot of us modders in the community.

As for DRM, it depends on your definition. If you have it through Beamdog you need a Beamdog account to get the game, but after the initial download it's entirely portable, can be installed anywhere, and doesn't phone home.

The legal situation is a GD mess.
Still, adding three new characters that nobody cares about, incorporating some free mods (and new bugs) and selling it for twice the GOG's price is a cheap tactic thankfully pointed out in many reviews. Leave the classics alone goddamit.
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Arthandas: Was, BG:EE even made by guys who worked on the original? If not, then how is it any different than any fan mods that add new content other than the fact you have to pay for it? Is EE even drm free?
It differs from the various mods by having access to the source code, allowing them to fix issues with the engine itself that mods couldn't fix. Unfortunately they way under utilize this; aside from rewriting the graphics engine so it could be ported to ipad they avoided making much needed improvements to the engine. Their main change was rewriting the graphics engine into modern openGL.

BGEE also comes pre packed with a variety of visual mods you might normally avoid because too many mods = bugs (of course, BGEE has bugs... but hopefully they will solve it). Many of the bigger/better mods have been ported to BGEE already too, so in theory it would have made an excellent platform going forward for modders.

Previous developers did lose the art assets though so they couldn't easily improve the graphics by rerendering in a higher resolution from the raw vector graphics, and don't have the budget/legal situation/will to remake them properly.

Sadly most of the their work went into porting it to the ipad rather than actually improving the game. It has lots of potential and for some people I would actually recommend the current version to those who have the money (current version is much less buggy than initial release).
But it could have been so much more if they went in with the intent to put the same game on modern graphics (like the monkey island remakes) and making engine (AI, scripts, etc) and UI improvements rather than porting it to ipad and adding DLC to PC version.

Oh, they also say they made the game more moddable by moving some hardcoded things into editable files.
Post edited July 27, 2013 by taltamir