that is really stupid if it's true.
Some weeks before the PC community got their updates seperated from the consoles no problem. Why change that now? These are all different systems with different issues anyhow.

Great, now i have to wait for grandma to pass the street..

This is very annoying, a pc patch is inherently different than the console ones, it probably won't even have the same core fixes. Forcing this wait on PC players is unfair and makes no sense.

They will never abbandon the PC platform, that is great! I would love to see more PC centric approach then. Remember Witcher 2? First there was the PC release, then after some time the consoles got their version. However, the PC version was done in a console style. Remember the necessity to open doors before entering a new area? What is that if not Resident Evil style of loading another part of the game? Witcher 2 was heavily chunked becasue consoles would have trouble managing a bigger, more open game area. Keep that in mind.

Witcher 3 plays nicely though. Dunno if I can complain about anything more than the UI and some pop-ins from time to time.

Anyone remembers Skyrim's UI on release? CDPR at least search for a compromise :P

Argh, your kidding me. As a console owner myself parity really isn't a concern to me. Patches released when they're ready are.

They have idiotic systems Sony and Microsoft both. No reason for PC to get caught up in that mess especially as each platform will present unique problems with each release anyway. I've been waiting on the latest patch to continue playing, this is ridiculous.

I'm not completely sure if you're saying the above tongue in cheek with a smile, or if you're saying it literally with flaring nostrils or something else. :o)

It all sounds like making a mountain out of a mole hill to me personally, but again I'm unsure if you're being completely serious or making light of the situation. :) If people are really truly big fans of CDPR and their work and "loyal" to the company, and are willing to turn on them on a dime's notice for something so simple and benign as a patch being synchronized between platforms meaning people might have to wait a few days or a week for it, resulting in anger and disloyalty, not buying their products anymore etc. then I have to think that is a gross overreaction and that people that do that are very unforgiving and hair triggered and never really were loyal at all, at least not my definition of loyal.

It's like someone being happily married and never having a fight with their wife at all for 2 years, then coming home from work and their wife doesn't have dinner ready for them because she had to stay at work late waiting for a delivery so they scream at her, storm out of the house and shit on the hood of her car then tell the world on Facebook that they're getting a divorce and can't believe she violated their trust after all of the things they've done for her over time.

Extreme overreaction in my eyes in both cases. :)

It reminds me of someone that I used to be best friends with for years, but then every now and then we'd get together and he'd start a stupid argument over the dumbest things like mentioning the name of an actor in a movie and it was the wrong person and I'd say "oh that wasn't him, it was Nick Nolte" just innocently volunteering the right person. You expect to hear back "yeah, that's who it was!" or "are you sure? Ok, I'll take your word for it" or some other passing comment, but he'd defend his incorrect claim like you just challenged his manhood and now it is time to fight to the death. Go on IMDB and look it up and show him and now you are the enemy and he doesn't want to talk to you ever again and you're an asshole, even though you did all of this very nicely with zero hostility and zero bad intentions, just pointing out a small error and not challenging him in any way. Then he'd go badmouth to mutual friends what a jerk you were, not mentioning any of this of course, and making up stories about you and whatnot. In his case he was a very very alpha male personality that just had to be right 200% of the time even if he was completely and totally wrong. If someone said something that suggested he was wrong, his pride was on the line and he had to defend himself to the death even if he himself knew he was wrong the whole time. Then after the whole charade, days/weeks/months would pass, he'd call and apologize for being an asshole, admit to being wrong blah blah blah, and in another month or two do it all over again. ;oP Of course over time you grow tired of that and stop putting up with it. :) I'd end up wondering why him or anyone would start an argument or feel negatively over such a mundane thing that has no effect on life, happiness or otherwise.

Different forms of overreaction of course but when I think of overreaction I always think of him doing that stuff. :)

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Ok now it sounds like you're serious. :) Well, I dunno what to say. When I go into a situation like that previously thinking the party is a "good guy" and in this case CD Projekt RED being the party in question, and something like that happens I see it as an unfortunate mistake that happened, and I realize that everyone can make mistakes including good guys with good intentions. Unless I have good rock solid reasons to believe otherwise then I'll give the party in question the benefit of doubt for being humans themselves.

I think people are way over-sensitive about these types of first world problems and very unforgiving to companies or others if even the slightest problem occurs, assuming that bad intentions are behind it and/or evil of some kind. That's just not the way I personally operate unless there are very strong reasons to feel such intense negative emotions about a given situation.

My personal experience with CDPR and the game has been to receive an amazing game that totally blew me away, and which for the size and scope of it is relatively speaking quite less-buggy (compared to many other games such as Skyrim), and very responsive in having put out so many patches to fix various things to date already. Watching what they're doing suggests to me that they monitor their forums and gamer input, that they're passionate about what they do and that they plan to support this game with patches that not only fix bugs but improve gameplay, user interface, and other game dynamics based both on their own ideas for improvement as well as tonnes of ideas suggested by their customers in forums etc. Most other game companies in my experience just don't give a crap about their customers at all and you're lucky to get one or two patches before they throw the game source code in a file cabinet and never touch it again or ever speak publicly again. Personally I've never experienced, seen nor heard a better interaction and customer support from any game developer ever. That's just my own experience though. If others have had better experiences with any other company out there, perhaps I'm missing out on some amazing game and company out there that I've never heard of though, so suggestions are welcome if anyone has them. :)

One problem I see - regularly in fact though, is where different individual groups of gamers with similar mindset in each group want and often demand things or demand them violently of a company - but what group A wants is completely the opposite of what group B wants, or some other situation in which providing what both groups want is technically impossible such as "I want the game to be no longer than 10 hours long maximum, I don't have time to play 400 hour games" and group B says "I want the game to be no shorter than 50 hours long maximum, short games suck", each group hating the company if they don't get their way. It's very much just like politics where you just can not technically please everyone all of the time no matter what you do because different people want mutually incompatible things. The problem is that if they are going to become your enemy instantly if you don't cater to every single thing they want, then you basically are in a position where you are absolutely completely guaranteed to have enemies no matter what you do.

In that case a wise person once said "you can please some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the itme, but you can't please all of the people all of the time". So I just observe that in situations like this and realize the futility of the situation the company is faced with with mutual exclusion scenarios and I have empathy for that. I may want something too and if I don't get it I am more likely to realize the problem of mutual exclusion and under the assumption of good-will from them, more often than not I'm willing to give the benefit of doubt even if I don't get what I'd prefer to have. Not just CDPR but companies/people in life in general.
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Only if one likes to be angry. Optimally, I don't like to be angry ever for any reason if it can be avoided because it is very non-productive. That doesn't mean I do not ever get angry because I do, and it is indeed non-productive when it happens to me. I realize that, although not always at the instant it happens, but since I realize it and I dislike the negative feelings that come with that and potentially can linger, I prefer to try to avoid feeling that way whenever I possibly can because I simply don't like being angry. This is especially true if there is something productive I can think of to do about the problem at hand, and if not then to think of something productive I can do about something else. Again, it doesn't always work out that way but I can say with certainty that when I am able to do that - I feel a shit tonne better than when I'm angry. I come from a family with bad temper and I had a problem with that for a long time too. It took a long time to change the way I thought about things but I'll never want to go back to thinking the other way now. Life is too short, and I want to spend as much of it in a pleasant state of mind, which means avoiding negative emotions like anger whenever I can, and when I do experience them to make it as brief of an experience as I can and move on. So I can only think of good reasons to avoid being angry, and the main one is that it is much more pleasurable than being angry.
Ok, ya caught me on a poor wording there. :) Let me correct that to say "can't make valid assumptions or pass valid judgments" which is much clearer to what I actually meant to say. :) Sure, people can make assumptions about anything at any time, and can judge anyone or anything at any time, rationally or irrationally, there are no limits. But valid assumptions require basis in empirical facts and data. :) But then... who needs facts!!! ;)


It's all perception really. I don't perceive things the same way at all. They listed the system requirements but did not ever state what those system requirements were precicely based upon. Unless you know that information then system requirements are kind of vague. Things like resolution and frame rate for example are rather important to know and while anyone can make assumptions about such things, if life and Internet forums have taught me anything about assumptions it is that people's assumptions are usually if not almost always wrong in one way or another. I like many, interpreted the system specs to mean I would not be able to run the game because enough detail was not present to determine that, but it's no different than any other game really because the same info I'd need is also not present on any other game's system requirements. It's a situation I almost never encounter because I almost never buy brand new AAA games on release day full price where my system might possibly not be able to run them and need to care about the requirements. :oP That made me slightly disappointed but certainly not angry.

Instead what happened is that the game did actually run on my system and that made me happier than a pig in shit. It meant that their numbers were either conservative (which is very very sensible to do!) or they optimized the game further (again sensible and deserves praise) or the resolution+FPS they were targetting was different than I anticipated it to be which is what turned out to be the case later as they mentioned it somewhere not long ago. Either way, I was thrilled because it allowed me to run a game that I thought I might not be able to. At the same time I observed others with more or less the same problem to solve and same data, and they went apeshit angry over it and CDPR is the devil, burn the witch. So I'm thinkin to that person... um... ok, you do that, you seeth in that festering anger pit, create it, burn in it and whatnot. I'll be over here riding Roach and enjoying myself with an ear to ear smile. Some people want anger and unpleasant feelings and others want pleasure and enjoyment. Neither is wrong - both can have what they want! I know I got what I wanted. :)


Me serious? LOL Ok, I'm a mixture of serious and humour for the most part. Perhaps I should mix the two more? :) Heck, people can't tell the difference half the time anyway it seems. ;oP Ok, so now you have me wondering again whether you were serious or not. LOL Whether you were or not either on individual points or the collective, you did well at keeping me from being able to tell for sure either way and probably ended up somewhere in the middle, so good job at that. ;oP Yeah, I had some laughs too, and of course it's both my real thoughts but also tongue in cheek. :)

P.S. Nobody here could truly be experiencing real true burning anger. The only way to experience that would be if the game used GFWL copy protection. If that were the case then one could erase everything I've said above as it'd all be bullshit. ;oP

Dude just shuttup. You have no idea how the business side of this stuff works, you're complaining for the sake of complaining.

They're supporting all their fans equally. If you are too stupid to understand go play something else and don't post here anymore. You annoying prik

Could be both. :p
Drawback of the internetz: without smilies or deep knowledge of a person it's hard, nearly impossible to say whether someone is joking (even if some hints are there) or dead serious.

Loyalty is interesting thing. Like love. In case of not getting any response or false, or outright lying, one may start questioning himself, whom exactly he is loyal to, what for, and is it worth it? Forgiveness has its limits too. I'm not saying undying loyalty, regardless of shittiness of treatment one gets in return is bad thing, it's quite admirable actually, but all these relations start to resemble Geralt/Yen relations, when she bosses him and every else around, and as Keira suggested, Geralt always tailing around. That's not bad, but I'm not Geralt, and CDPR is not Yennifer. Our relations involve financial gain of one side, and financial loss of another, in exchange for supposed emotional gain (no, I don't imply Passiflora!), and because of that I prefer open, honest, and consisent approach, not quad-wiggling!

Wrong example. It's like being married for 4 years only to find your wife starts dating some dude wearing X-mark t-shirts, but she's saying it's nothing. Four years later all that will lead to you suddenly spotting your wife dating not one dude with X-mark t-shirt, but also second one, wearing postscript-mark, and she's not only dating them nearly simultaneously, she never shows up with you until very late, for very brief time, spreading rumours you no longer give her enough money, therefore she can't grow up as artistic person. The way she does all that makes you look pale in comparison with those other two, one of whom you never saw in your life. Even if your calculations shows she is lying about money. Moreover, she demands a new car from you, sport-car, or even super-car, but she drives it only on first gear and never shifts up or speed up above 30kph. She demanded new, multi-storey estate, but she occupies only small part of it and never shows up in other areas at all.
If it was a dinner delayed or absent I wouldn't even noticed and cooked it myself. If she dumped me in favour of one of those (or even both) guys I'd understand that, maybe she likes those weaker, buy younger guys, who knows. But saying she still loves me, while obviously pleasing those two? If you want fivesome, there is clearly no room. If you get my drift. /grin

Maybe you should keep your mouth sut and stop proving to the world how ignorant you really are. Or better yet do the world a favor and stop emitting CO2.

Now if you can read may I suggest you read some of the posts by RudyLis that details exactly how and why the PC has been taken for granted.

If these forums are too much for you to handle go back to your mama's basement and cry there.

Of course everyone can make mistakes! But mistakes like that already happened, with other parties, though, and nobody gave a flying fuck. This is bad practice of locking game's release when game copies are already available, but "locked" on some platforms and it should stop. We, buyers of digital copies, are already in subpar position: we pay for physical goods we don't have (no manufacturing, shipping, storage, handling, logistics costs are involved), and we have to wait, while some random dudes with physical copies somehow manage to play and nobody stops them. Mistakes? Fine, we are all humans. Way they handled it? Nuh-uh.

We have right to be sensitive, we like the series, we supported the developer, we fucking read fucking books fucking 15 years ago, and we had to way almost a fucking week to play greatly anticipated and preordered game, while some random dudes were playing and nobody moved a finger to rectify the situation!
(how's the expression, fine, or I need to add some fire?:p).

Well, in comparison to previous games, actual release of W3 was pretty much bug-free, minus inventory freeze. But we had few delays, so we should be haflway to enhanced edition.:p I mean those issues shouldn't even be there in first place.
Surely, they monitor the stuff, but seeing certain changes they add, I really wonder, why, with all those delays, those "patched things" weren't actually there nearly eight weeks ago when game was released? It's not like a rocket surgery, and I sincerely cannot believe they didn't noticed all those issues we questioned. It's not their first game, yet seeing them waltzing over rakes third time in row (achievement unlocked) makes you wonder where is stability is the sign of excellence or sign of less glorious things. /grin

And I don't know in what kind of perverted world we live in, where company that patches its own product is considered "good" when it's basically their fucking job to do that!

I'm happy for you and others who had no problems with W3, but for me gameplay was so exhausting (not bugridde (though Roach earned few new unique personal profanities), not difficult, but exhausting, physically (not emotionally), up to that "grinding" feeling I deeply hate) I haven't played anything since I finished Witcher 3 back in early days of June. To each his own, but for me it's a bad sign. and no, this kind of exhaustion is different from Mafia's race or GTA:Vice City radio controlled helicopter (or it was a plane?) missions.

There are. Not much, true, but they are there.
And CDPR is kinda borderline abusing their image of good guys, getting away with things Ubischrott would've earned "worst company in America" award, if not them being located in France. :p

People wanting shorter games play shorter games, there's aplenty of those, usually released once a year at least. Order 59.99... I mean 1886, Call of Battlefield, recent Wolfenstein, list goes on. Don't want actions? Fine, DLC quest, takes like, I dunno, 30 minutes? To the moon, 3 hours. Very easy to pick. Some games just can't be short, some can't be long. You can artificially blow the length, like adding 80 smugglers' caches on Skellige, where sailing is less exciting than watching moss growth (I grew moss, so I know what I'm talking about:D).

Like I said earlier, company should made its own mind and decide what it want, money from newcomers, or core audience loyalty, and how to handle this - "no downgrade happened" stuff, or being open and really honest from very start. Casual gamers don't really give a shit about that, they buy games based on ad or store clerk advice, they don't pay attention, but there are many of them, and they bring profitsss. We, hardcore gamers, are different and don't like to be treated like that, even though we are much smaller in numbers, we prefer honesty, and prefer early honesty, not post factum ones. In same time we are not angry or spiteful, we really love games and we angry because we think games got worse (and as practice shows, more rightfully so than not). Yet we are very forgiving. And that is abused by some developers and publishers.
You can't please everyone, true, but you should stop trying to seat on two chairs and determine what exactly you want and do that. Preferably state that as well, so people wouldn't be tricked into thinking you're something you're not, thus causing more uproar.
Yeah, yeah, I know, company exist to earn money, I know that! :p

You are absolutely correct. Unfortunately, your own argument shows that CDPR chose to upset PC users instead of console users.

Yes, money makes the world go 'round. Is anyone actually surprised by this?

I have to disagree with that. CD Projekt RED didn't choose to upset anyone. Individual people choose to be upset about things themselves even if they also choose to not accept responsibility for making the choice. This is easily evidenced by the fact that two people can both agree about the same thing, and only one of them be upset about it.

Our emotions are not created by other people, they come from within. Once I learned that in life, I started choosing to not see the world through a negative angry-filter. The view is so much nicer now even when things don't turn out in my favour or are otherwise suboptimal.

As always though, everyone is free to choose for themselves whether they prefer to feel angry or upset about things.

We are the few, the proud, the ANGRY MARINES! :D

I'm not going to argue over your stance, that's admirable and commendable (I'm serious, no sarcasm here), but barring yourself from it totally may not be the right thing to do. While "being angry" is subjective, and should be controlled at your end, we should never forget what causes that anger, because giving someone a way too much slack will lead to abuse. Not exactly a good thing when you is the paying side of the equation.
Okay, I'm no longer serious, sarcasm all over the place again!

Judging by certain "economist consultants" they do exactly that, make assumptions and pass judgment. Sometimes they got right, sometimes they got wrong. Nobody questions them, their knowledge or data processing skills. So people can make valid and wrong assumptions regardless of their preliminary experience. The fact that nobody wrote another LoTR by randomly facerolling on keyboard shouldn't confuse you. :p

Dude, why the fuck publish a system requirements if they aren't precisely based upon? What's the point? Those weren't just ordinary "console grade visuals" requirements, those were requirements for "almost constant 60 FPS ultra" settings! Why publish something that is widely and deeply irrelevant?

Well, that's why I questioned them about rather incorrect system requirements. If I could launch a game on my old PC that was there before Witcher 2 and it wasn't superb back then already, I find it kinda suspicious. I suppose we got lucky they did proper PC port, not like that Batman fiasco, but overall resources consumption left me wondering over degree of intentional misleading with wrong system requirements publishing. I doubt they had no idea on their engine's appetite, yet publishing greatly overblown requirements and promotion with GTX 9XX make you think how fair this "enterprise" was.

Of course, having a game engine that downscales fine is good thing, but it does not mitigate issues I mentioned above.

Way to go!
But we should be careful to not let our sarcasm be misinterpret a way too wrong. Slightly wrong is fine. Especially if it got more sarcastic this way. /grin

Rockstar's patches that turned my GTAV's shortcut into "crash your PC" shortcut are also nice. ETS2 (that already doesn't look that stellar) patch that turned my new rig into under 20FPS "smoothie" blender is somewhere nearby. Arkham Knight just calls for massive profanities support, because ordinary supply of curses doesn't reflect degree of situation. MKX was also outstanding.