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Why Geralt should give a plough about the city of all scheming sons of whores?
Since when he need to solve all word problems?
Let Melitele sort them out.

P.S i want dialog option:"What have you done for me lately?"
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Jamanticus: And then there are you constant statements about how the knights raping the sorceresses should die. "Like i said, if death meets the evildoers then i will gladly backs off. " Yeah. I agree, they should die. They won't, however, so you're stuck. Geralt's not going to go track them down, they won't be burned to death by a dragon.
Maybe i wont aruge with you anymore since im already arguing with Raye. and yours and his idea are not the same.
Raye and i was talknig about how killign the whole order of knights is right cuz few raped the sorceress
Your point is well, i dont know...me wanting to unleash the dragon on city

Btw, i only stated that it is fact that dragon will sooner or later destroy THE CITY if it's left alive..(which someone asked why would the dragon destroy the city)
AND that i want to destroy the whole order of knight cuz i heard "the knights raped two sorceresses)
AND i think sparing the dragon even if it destroy the city is right

argh...its confusing...more than 3 people joined in the discussion against me and now i dont know what point each have...
can you restate it against, people?

Btw, you're right GEralt is not gonna track them down but that doesn't stop me from thinknig i want to track them down and kill them.
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BiggusD1: Why Geralt should give a plough about the city of all scheming sons of whores?
Since when he need to solve all word problems?
Let Melitele sort them out.

P.S i want dialog option:"What have you done for me lately?"
That's your opinion.
Geralt have always been known for not being jerk despite being a witcher, you know.
For example, he stood up to defend the non-humans and ended up getting killed by a peasant
Post edited June 01, 2011 by iamin7ove
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Jamanticus: And then there are you constant statements about how the knights raping the sorceresses should die. "Like i said, if death meets the evildoers then i will gladly backs off. " Yeah. I agree, they should die. They won't, however, so you're stuck. Geralt's not going to go track them down, they won't be burned to death by a dragon.
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iamin7ove: Maybe i wont aruge with you anymore since im already arguing with Raye. and yours and his idea are not the same.
Raye and i was talknig about how killign the whole order of knights is right cuz few raped the sorceress
Your point is well, i dont know...me wanting to unleash the dragon on city

Btw, i only stated that it is fact that dragon will sooner or later destroy THE CITY if it's left alive..(which someone asked why would the dragon destroy the city)
AND that i want to destroy the whole order of knight cuz i heard "the knights raped two sorceresses)
AND i think sparing the dragon even if it destroy the city is right

argh...its confusing...more than 3 people joined in the discussion against me and now i dont know what point each have...
can you restate it against, people?

Btw, you're right GEralt is not gonna track them down but that doesn't stop me from thinknig i want to track them down and kill them.
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BiggusD1: Why Geralt should give a plough about the city of all scheming sons of whores?
Since when he need to solve all word problems?
Let Melitele sort them out.

P.S i want dialog option:"What have you done for me lately?"
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iamin7ove: That's your opinion.
Geralt have always been known for not being jerk despite being a witcher, you know.
For example, he stood up to defend the non-humans and ended up getting killed by a peasant
Well i know, my Geralt also saved non humans from pogrom in Flotsoam, that doesn't meen he have to be goody to shoes all the time. Besides think how many will be killed raped etc. in Vergen after Kedwenian evasion.
My priorites, save closest to you after that all the rest
He is not Eric of Denesle after all
Post edited June 01, 2011 by BiggusD1
I'm seeing a TON of your posts in this thread to be saying, "Well, that's your opinion," iamin7ove. It's getting tiresome, really. I mean, this whole thread can be easily separated into two groups of people: the reasonable, astute, fun-to-talk-to side who provide solid logic and evidence to support their claims, and you. Those are the two sides, really. And I don't think that you're not reasonable, I merely think you're refusing to accept what people say to get a giggle or two out of it.

I'm going to say again, it's only *your* opinion that the dragon is going to come back and destroy the city. You keep saying, "Well, Sile told me the dragon was going to destroy the city, and that's a fact!" and, "An order is an order unless it's withdrawn or fulfilled!"

Yeah, that was before it got impaled on a tree and the city emptied. This dragon isn't a mindless robot, mind-controlled or not.

I'm going to make this into a list for you, even only taking what you said about standing orders into account so that you can really comprehend what I'm writing.

1. Sile and Philippa ordered the dragon to burn the city to kill everyone, correct?
2. The dragon can't kill anyone by burning down the city now that everyone's gone, right?


Be warned, I'm going into opinions, extrapolation, and other really complicated stuff now. Weird, arcane stuff that you'd call "guesswork, no solid evidences." How much sense would it make for this clearly smart dragon to come back and waste all that effort destroying a city for no reason?

Philippa and Sile have demonstrated that they can telepathically communicate with the dragon (and that's a fact- clearly evidenced when the dragon swoops down and picks up Sile without her verbally commanding it, also when Saskia orders the terms of Henselt's surrender and Dethmold's execution without Philippa needing to say anything).

Both Philippa and Sile can also magically probe locations to learn about them. Fact.

Now that we've got those two facts settled, I make an opinion, an informed opinion: the dragon will either communicate to Philippa/Sile that things didn't go as planned and the city has emptied, or Philippa/Sile will use their scrying magic and see that the city's already empty. Or both. Therefore, the dragon will not come back to burn down the city, because the sorceresses will have rescinded that order. Also, pure speculation, but I doubt they'd need to even tell the dragon not to come back and burn Loc Muinne. It's smart enough, imo, to know that there's no reason to raze the city now.
Post edited June 01, 2011 by Jamanticus
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Jamanticus: Yeah, that was before it got impaled on a tree and the city emptied. This dragon isn't a mindless robot, mind-controlled or not.
Whoever said the order was to burn down the city to kill everyone?
The order can simply be burning down the city, you know.
For example, in a certain anime i watch, even some smart will only order people to "fire" think it will kill the one being fired. Not everyone will think of saying "fire and kill him" right?

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Jamanticus: "his dragon isn't a mindless robot, mind-controlled or not..."
How much sense would it make for this clearly smart dragon to come back and waste all that effort destroying a city for no reason?
Isn't a charm what's supposed to make an individual mindless?
Reason? It was ordered to "turn the city into a flaming tomb"...or an order is not good enough a reason for someone to do something?

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Jamanticus: Philippa and Sile have demonstrated that they can telepathically communicate with the dragon
Philippa and Sile are running for their lives, especially Phillipa who are probably licking her own wounds. Whether or not they are kind enough to remember telling the dragon to stop rampaging the city if people are all gone is not clear...is it?
My point is that until they have new orders in mind, Philippa and Sile probably leave the dragon alone. And the until the dragon fulfill the order, it's gonna mindlessly trying to.

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Jamanticus: the dragon will either communicate to Philippa/Sile that things didn't go as planned and the city has emptied
Therefore, the dragon will not come back to burn down the city, because the sorceresses will have rescinded that order
Whether the dragon reports or not is depend on whether the two sorceresses tell it to or not, yes?
And what's the point of withdrawing the order of burning down the city anyway when there is no new order? which will not be for a while cuz both of them should be busy in licking their wounds



Anyway, the bottom line is that your kind of charm on the dragon
is different from the one i think the dragon has on.

Yours is just too perfect. It's almost like the dragon has a freewill and chose to follow phillipa on its own, using all its knowledge and intelligence on the process. Hell, it can even separate a smart move and what's not and give opinions back to the master.

Mine is less perfect. Mine is a passive mind bound spell that just make the dragon thinks every order given is right and wont think anything other than working on the order
Sorry but your kind of charm is just too much for me. Can't accept such an almighty charm
Post edited June 01, 2011 by iamin7ove
Alrighty. Maybe if I feel energetic, I'll continue this debate. Everything in the post of yours I just read was your spin on things. "Philippa *should* be licking her wounds. The sorceresses *should* be both running for their lives. The dragon won't think of anything other than carrying out an order." Which is fine, I'm okay with that.

I'll just say this for now, just add a bit more to my take on things:

A mindless dragon that had been ordered to turn the city into a flaming bomb would've flown right back to the city with its wound to carry out its order, as it would have no sense of self-preservation to worry about. I mean, in your version of the spell, it dedicates its every thought to fulfilling orders. Philippa, although we don't know how reliable a source she is, claims the mind-control spell simply amplifies Saskia's love for the sorceress, nothing else. Make of that what you want. I personally agree that it would make every order Saskia gets seem right, but I don't think the dragon would lose all higher brain functions under such a spell. A very well-crafted spell if you ask me. One that purposefully *doesn't* turn the dragon into a brainless hunk of fire-breathing scales and meat.

Philippa and Sile would be running for their lives if they weren't gosh-darned sorceresses. One teleported away if you saved her and the other flew off as an owl, untraceable. Although I do grant you that Philippa would most likely be busy fixing her eyes for a bit.

Making sure the people in the city died/ finding out if the dragon succeeded or not WOULD still be high, if not on the top of, the sorceresses' priority list, as those people in Loc Muinne were onto the Lodge's plot and needed to be silenced before they could spread the word around. Imo.
Post edited June 01, 2011 by Jamanticus
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Jamanticus: I personally agree that it would make every order Saskia gets seem right, but I don't think the dragon would lose all higher brain functions under such a spell. A very well-crafted spell if you ask me. One that purposefully *doesn't* turn the dragon into a brainless hunk of fire-breathing scales and meat.

Philippa and Sile would be running for their lives if they weren't gosh-darned sorceresses. One teleported away if you saved her and the other flew off as an owl, untraceable. Although I do grant you that Philippa would most likely be busy fixing her eyes for a bit.
Radovid lived...and he was quite bare on sight. He was even trapped-no reason not to kill him unless the order was not to do so
Is that not enough proof that the dragon's order wasnt to kill every one against the lodge?

A blind owl is not that hard to trace. And Philip's owl form is famous. Not to mention there are other methods exclusively to professional witch hunters Letho mentions.

Sile's teleport might seem almighty in running but Letho is almost sure royal-witch hunters gonna get her. Who knows, some might already be at Sile's supposed hideout.

Anyway, my point is
"The earth is round."
So, rather than running for their lives the sorceresses will have to build something to defend their lives. The dragon should be far from their place at that moment, you know. I mean who hides at a place near your crime scene.
that i count as 'running for their lives too'


Btw, its not like I really am that hard in defending my stances.
Just that
Everyone has got to have a hobby
Post edited June 01, 2011 by iamin7ove
LOL why are you all still arguing with the troll? He/she is just arguing for arguments sake, with no valid points to back it up.
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Snarfinator: LOL why are you all still arguing with the troll? He/she is just arguing for arguments sake, with no valid points to back it up.
If it isn't the the "why would the dragon destroy the city" debater
How fair you after choosing to shut your trap
Post edited June 01, 2011 by iamin7ove
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Snarfinator: LOL why are you all still arguing with the troll? He/she is just arguing for arguments sake, with no valid points to back it up.
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iamin7ove: If it isn't the the "why would the dragon destroy the city" debater
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If it isn't the I have no clue, I just like to argue guy. :p The fact you appear as if by magic 2 minutes after I posted speaks volumes.
Post edited June 01, 2011 by Snarfinator
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Snarfinator: If it isn't the I have no clue, I just like to argue guy. :p The fact you appear as if by magic 2 minutes after I posted speaks volumes.
Yeah, it speaks that i don't stop argue to slander like you
Think what you want. I find nothing better to do between doing the cooking and washing dishes on top of other chores
Post edited June 01, 2011 by iamin7ove
Slander implies a falsehood, nothing I said was false.
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Snarfinator: Slander implies a falsehood, nothing I said was false.
Only you ever call me a troll.

"act of a person who trolls; sending of intentionally erroneous messages to message boards in order to lure others to respond (Internet); fishing by trailing a baited line through the water "
by default your definition of a troll is already false
Post edited June 01, 2011 by iamin7ove
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Snarfinator: Slander implies a falsehood, nothing I said was false.
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iamin7ove: Only you ever call me a troll.

"act of a person who trolls; sending of intentionally erroneous messages to message boards in order to lure others to respond (Internet); fishing by trailing a baited line through the water "
by default your definition of a troll is already false
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You fit that definition perfectly. Anyway have fun doing what you do. I have better things to do than argue endlessly on a game forum. Respond if you must, I'd gladly pay real money for an ignore feature.
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Snarfinator: You fit that definition perfectly. Anyway have fun doing what you do. I have better things to do than argue endlessly on a game forum. Respond if you must, I'd gladly pay real money for an ignore feature.
This is why i look down on people who start something but leave in midway.
They fart after, saying they have no time
Post edited June 01, 2011 by iamin7ove