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cloud8521: i dont think hes a troll, he really beleives what he says. he kind o9f reminds me of the Westboro Baptist Church accually. they believe what they say and dont listen to opinions, if you have them then you are against them.
The spelling and grammar suggest he is either young or poorly educated. If he is young, maybe he really does believe what he is saying. But the constant resort to name calling is so appalling that I can't find it in myself to believe he isn't doing it on purpose.
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mastorofpuppetz: Changing graphics settings on the fly is often the cause of crashes, memory leaks, etc..
I said control options, I never specified graphics.

And from that, you state that 99% of games force you to do this, which we all know is just rubbish.

How do you expect anyone to take you seriously?

Anyway, I have better things to do rather than babysit.....
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cloud8521: i dont think hes a troll, he really beleives what he says. he kind o9f reminds me of the Westboro Baptist Church accually. they believe what they say and dont listen to opinions, if you have them then you are against them.
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TigerLord: The spelling and grammar suggest he is either young or poorly educated. If he is young, maybe he really does believe what he is saying. But the constant resort to name calling is so appalling that I can't find it in myself to believe he isn't doing it on purpose.
Again, the refusal to do anything other then insult and keep ignoring the facts speaks volum,es.

I already said English is not my native language, you retarded and cannot read or something/.

Trolling 101, keep insulting the poster to try and change the subject as I cannot refure anything he said. Old forum troll behaviour,
Post edited June 02, 2011 by mastorofpuppetz
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TigerLord: Unfortunately, they did not honor their word the second they decided to optimize aspects of the game for console controls.
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Kleetus: They did say the game was designed with controllers in mind, so I fail to see how they didn't "honour their word"?

I don't like the interface or the consolitis as much as anyone, but I don't recall CD Projekt ever saying it would be mouse/keyboard exclusive or not controller friendly.
No back in December or so they claimed that a console was NOT part of their design decisions. But today they state that it was. So basically they mislead us back then.
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Kleetus: Uhm, you're the one who resorted to name-calling, calling people idiots etc.

How's the "smart programming" going? LOL!!!
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mastorofpuppetz: Changing graphics settings on the fly is often the cause of crashes, memory leaks, etc.. driver issues, learn more about PC gaming before saying LOL all the time like a retard.
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TigerLord: You can't refute an opinion. An opinion is a subjective statement that can't be measured on a reliable objective scale. There's no correct or incorrect. Everyone is entitled to their opinion based on a purely subjective criterion, or multiple. There is nothing to refute in your posts.

Except the fact you are a troll, of course.
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mastorofpuppetz: Except i stated facts, which you keep ignoring because you got owned. How is the game is out on PC and not even finished on console an opinion? How is the game utilizes the latest hardware on PC an opinion? How is Gamepads have been used on PC's since the 80's an opinion?

Youre so stupid you don't know the difference between opinion and a factual statement, LMAO>
says LOL is childish and just then says LMAO... give you one guess what word i am thinking of now

also speaking of which many collages and some universities now consider that chat-speak is a evolution of the English language due to its ability to compact words and sentences into much smaller forms that still can be understood. although i will would not put it on your term paper
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Kleetus: They did say the game was designed with controllers in mind, so I fail to see how they didn't "honour their word"?

I don't like the interface or the consolitis as much as anyone, but I don't recall CD Projekt ever saying it would be mouse/keyboard exclusive or not controller friendly.
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Goodmongo: No back in December or so they claimed that a console was NOT part of their design decisions. But today they state that it was. So basically they mislead us back then.
actually to expand on this, just after release they explicitly said to Teckgage that "Witcher 2 hasn't been planned for consoles. It's just a rumour atm if there will actually be one"
Post edited June 02, 2011 by cloud8521
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cbarbagallo: Umm, have you noticed the graphics? What console in your world can support ubersampling?
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mastorofpuppetz: PC whiney babaies say its a console port even though console version is still in development and PC version we are playing. Its a console port because it works wioth a gamepad, you know, something many PC games have had since 1980 LMAO>
Either you are a big time troll or just 5 years old.
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mastorofpuppetz: How is the game is out on PC and not even finished on console an opinion? How is the game utilizes the latest hardware on PC an opinion? How is Gamepads have been used on PC's since the 80's an opinion?
All of these are true statements. It has nothing to do with my position on the interface though. Absolutely nothing. None of these three points addressed one of my arguments on why I feel like this.

Even if you could refute opinions, you'd have failed. To successfully refute, the counter-argument must be related to the original argument. Or if you prefer, more carefully, in case you are indeed not a troll but simply a young pupil in need of eye opening.

1. "How is the game is out on PC and not even finished on console an opinion?" [sic]
It's true. However, it doesn't mean the plans for a quick console release have not influenced design changes that would otherwise not have been made had the game remained a PC exclusive. It's my contention that the game's interface would have remained closer to the one of the first game, which I liked a lot more, had there been no plans for a console release. It's a subjective opinion. Does not require refutal.

2. "How is the game utilizes the latest hardware on PC an opinion?"
PC hardware has nothing to do with the interface as it only affects performance and graphics. Whether you play on a 2.86, a P3, a dual or octo core, the interface will perform, act and be the same. As such, this statement has absolutely no ties or links whatsoever with my original post. Does not require refutal.

3. "How is Gamepads have been used on PC's since the 80's an opinion? "
That is true, but again, has nothing to do with my position. Statistically, and this is a fact because statistics is an objective science, gamepads represent a small minority or used control peripherals on PC. However, 100% of console owners use gamepads. It would be illogical to design an interface for a PC exclusive game that will never be played on consoles, and make it so that it's optimized for controls only a small minority of the targeted clientel uses.

This supports my theory that the plans for a console version altered some designs to be less optimized for PC than it could have been otherwise. The fact the peripheral in question has existed since the 80s is truly irrelevant, as it still is a minority in PC peripheral use.
Post edited June 02, 2011 by TigerLord
Your theory stinks, as the Ui is even WORSE with a gamepad, and TW 1, which was and still is PC only had an even worse UI. Naybe they just are not good at designing a good UI, consoles have nothing to do with it, the evidence leans to that being the much more plausible. Navigating the Ui with a pad is tem times worse,

Your entire argument is the UI, which was bad in TW1, and you have o proof Consoles had anything to do with it.

just what i have been saying, whiney PC gamer trying to cry and whine every chance he gets about consoles ruining gaming.

Must suck being you, whining over every minor flaw stopping you from enjoying many great games,

THE UI could be improved, but you must be brain dead if its that difficult for you. It's quite easy to navigate and find everything in a click or 2.
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mastorofpuppetz: Your theory stinks, as the Ui is even WORSE with a gamepad, and TW 1, which was and still is PC only had an even worse UI. Naybe they just are not good at designing a good UI, consoles have nothing to do with it, the evidence leans to that being the much more plausible. Navigating the Ui with a pad is tem times worse,

Your entire argument is the UI, which was bad in TW1, and you have o proof Consoles had anything to do with it.

just what i have been saying, whiney PC gamer trying to cry and whine every chance he gets about consoles ruining gaming.

Must suck being you, whining over every minor flaw stopping you from enjoying many great games,

THE UI could be improved, but you must be brain dead if its that difficult for you. It's quite easy to navigate and find everything in a click or 2.
oh gooees to know the UI stick all around and therefore should be remade from the ground up. (i tested it with a game-pad and it works much better accually)
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mastorofpuppetz: Your theory stinks, as the Ui is even WORSE with a gamepad, and TW 1, which was and still is PC only had an even worse UI.
I found the UI in TW1 superior. That is my opinion. You disagree. You are allowed to.
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mastorofpuppetz: Your theory stinks, as the Ui is even WORSE with a gamepad, and TW 1, which was and still is PC only had an even worse UI. Naybe they just are not good at designing a good UI, consoles have nothing to do with it, the evidence leans to that being the much more plausible. Navigating the Ui with a pad is tem times worse,

Your entire argument is the UI, which was bad in TW1, and you have o proof Consoles had anything to do with it.

just what i have been saying, whiney PC gamer trying to cry and whine every chance he gets about consoles ruining gaming.

Must suck being you, whining over every minor flaw stopping you from enjoying many great games,

THE UI could be improved, but you must be brain dead if its that difficult for you. It's quite easy to navigate and find everything in a click or 2.
Calm down, please. Recognize that you and he have differing opinions to the effectiveness of the UI. You like it, he doesn't. Don't go around stating your opinions as fact, for you are only making yourself look silly even without taking your "English as a Second Language" thing into account.