The thing with Kian is that he became gay all of a sudden. Out of nowhere. You couldn't guess that he is gay in the previous game, he didn't show any signs of being gay, but now he apparently is...
Ragnar Tornquist was either dishonest with the players hiding such essential part of a character or, as edfardos said, it's just liberal propaganda that he decided to put in the third book to please the first world pseudo liberals. Frankly, both situations are kinda ugly...
The fact that Fiona was lesbian was A-okay because contrary to popular belief most people who don't like that Kian is now gay are not ragin' homophobes. They just don't like sloppy writing and/or propaganda in a game series that was all about great story before that...

Well, did he express any sexual interest in women at all in the games ? any hint in anything he says that I missed ?
If I'm right, and there was no sexual interest of any kind expressed towards women, it wouldn't surprise me.

I guess it just depends on where you come from, and how people in your social circles view gay / sexual orientation. In my social circle, if someone was gay, it wouldn't be "oh really", the reply would be "ok so ?" :e
How I look at it, if someone didn't express sexual interest towards one sex or the other, he could be either or both and no assumptions should be made ! :)

And to a whole different matter: I'd love it if someone could point me to when / how people figured out that old lady is Lady Alvane <.<

@Joseph1957 - How come he's Brian Westhouse ?
Shit, my memory is utterly fucked :<
I don't remember when they even say his name, or tell anything about him ! And I played both TLJ and Dreamfall before Chapter 3 came out :(((

Well in my social circle people would react the same way. In fact I have a friend who came out and I was like "dude, whatever". The thing is, Kian is not my friend and Dreamfall is an epic story and not a detective mystery where pc actions and motives could be obscure even to the player.

Yes he didn't expressed any particular sexual interest in women, but he didn't expressed it towards man either. He was portrayed as someone not particularly interested in sex altogether. A stiff warrior.

And until book three the game itself was actually pointing that this decision is gonna be left for players to decide... So this whole "Kian is gay" came completely out of nowhere since the players should have either known this right from the start or choose for themselves according with their views.

So again, it's not about him being gay - it's about how poorly it was executed. Be it sloppy writing or propaganda/trolling the losing party here is only the game story.

"...how people figured out that old lady is Lady Alvane..."
She introduces herself in TLJ :)

Ah well, for some reason, I didn't feel it was out of place <.<
It may have been poorly "executed", but didn't feel forced, atleast for me. Everytime I play TLJ, I keep feeling most of the "magic" is gone. Not to say that Dreamfall Chapters isn't good, I love every second of it, but I don't like the lack of connection to the first game. It was still the best one in the series, in my opinion :)

I didn't realize Lady Alvane introduces herself in TLJ, maybe I missed a couple of lines :(
Damn, it's annoying to miss such things :<

It certainly was, not least of all due to the gameplay. :)

However, it makes sense to keep the TLJ references limited. Chapters supposedly delivers closure to the "Dreamer Cycle", which began with Dreamfall after all.

Should there ever be a "The Longest Journey Home" - and Ragnar has unfortunately voiced some serious doubt about that - the references to TLJ will be far more numerous...

Thank you !!!! :)

This was exactly what I was looking for.
Bleh, I really hope to get some closure for alot of things when DFC ends <.<

I'm bit late, because for some reason I didn't notice this thread before.

But here's what I think:

I'm fine with Kian being gay. And it really shouldn't be shock to anyone, because it's not like he is the first gay character in the franchise, which has always presented homosexuals in very positive light (by which I mean that they are portrayed as normal people instead of some sort of joke stereotypes). Although when I realized that Kian is gay, I felt sorry that I gave Anna false hope.

I actually like Kian more in Dreamfall Chapters than I liked him in the first Dreamfall. In the first game he was boring compared to April (always my favourite) and Zoë, but in Chapters he has been more interesting protagonist than before.

I'm not too big fan of the Book 3 choices. Some were all right, but others weren't that much new choices at all, but just outcomes of your previous choices.

Particularly I felt screwed by that tool choice. I thought that you might need those in the building to which the pipes lead and thought that I would return them in the end of the chapter once I have visited in that building, but then you get no chance of returning them at all. It felt like the game made the choice for me, especially considering that Kian went to Rooster and Kitten afterwards. Even if the guy wasn't there anymore, he could have just left the stuff where the mechanic was sitting, so the mechanic with serious hangover could find his tools from the place where he lost them while he was drunk (it's not uncommon to lose stuff and having to ask next morning if you left them in the bar).

In any case I'm happy that we will be likely to see new locations in Book 4, because during the Book 3 I was getting bored to just running around the same streets of Europolis and Marcuria. One of the things which I liked in two previous games was wandering around the world. While there was main locations to which you always returned, there was plenty of different locations around the two worlds which you could explore. I'm hoping that Book 4 will be about travelling.

Maybe it's the torture decision. I tortured the Azadi and because of that many magicals were evacuated from the ghetto. Likho didn't accuse me of anything other than sparing the officers life.

That is strange, I have watched a few video walkthroughs from others and in the scene where Kian spares the officer's life (as you and I have done) the result is always the same: Likho always says that "Kian did not do his duty". You must have did something different further back in the game not to hear this response!

In my game Shepherd says: "We were lucky that we didn't lose more people when the Oldtown burned", which is the only reference to the tragic events which took place. In the enclave Likho's only complaint against Kian was that he doesn't consider magicals as people, because he didn't kill the Azadi child molester. When I talked to him later in the enclave he said that Kian is necessary for the resistance and that he sees Kian as a leadership figure. In the end of the episode (on the airship's platform) Likho complained that Kian isn't giving him any reason for hatred anymore.

My decisions which might have affected to Likho's and Kian's relations:

Spare the Captain

Join the Resistance

Identify correct spy in the Oldtown market.

Catch the arrow.

Talk to Na'ane privately.
Expose that Na'ane is a traitor.

Torture the Azadi officer
Let the Azadi officer live

Return the tools (in my original playthrough I missed that, but I later replayed from that point onwards. While it might affect to the Resistance, it didn't change the dialogue between Likho and Kian.)

Take Likho with you to Ge'en.

EDIT: I did watch one of Youtube videos to see if there was differences in the dialogue. Based on that video it seems that Likho's accusation about Kian neglecting his duty was because of the torture decision, like I originally suspected.

Yes, I have been delving into this a little more as well; if Kian had killed the officer, then this would have changed Liko's speech and he would have looked upon Kian a little more favourably. However, you said you "spared the officer's life", are you sure the program did not change your decision at the end for some reason in book 2?

Everything was correct. Kian was with Enu at the start of the Book 3, because Likho was angry that Kian hadn't killed the child molester. And Likho complained about that later in Book 3.

There are two separate decisions regarding the Azadi Officer:

1. Torture him or don't torture him. If you don't torture him Likho doesn't trust to the information which Kian has and magicals aren't evacuated from the Oldtown. Many die.

2. Kill the officer or force him to become Resistance informant. Mostly just affects to your relations with Enu and Likho. If you kill him Enu is angry and if you don't kill him Likho is angry.

In the dialogue which starts about 1.35 in this video Likho and Kian talk about the torture decision. In my own game I didn't see this part, because I tortured the officer and magicals were saved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsprxb3i6DY

I'm looking forward to seeing that haystack in Marcuria turning into a witch (in book 4 I believe). I wonder what part in the story it will play?

I was reading some forums and I noticed that many people didn't like Saga's drawing puzzle, where you had to find different drawings and put them into a right order. Personally I did find it very enjoyable, because some of the drawings were challenging to find.

My general opinion is that Dreamfall Chapters is too easy. It should have more challenging puzzles and I think that the original The Longest Journey had the best puzzle difficulty of the series.