With fixed I mean that there are no game breaking bugs anymore so you can play it from beginning to end without problem, don´t mind for small bugs that do no major damage to your experience.

Cus atm I don´t feel like playing anymore after first spending tens of hours getting to pitax and not be able to progress, so I start a new game and hope to come back to my old save once a new version is out but I can´t enjoy my new game cause now you cant even get past old sycamore anymore cus the game freezes after having Valerie join your party. :_/

at this pace - another month. pitax and on is a hot mess.

Maybe like a month.

I wouldn't be surprised at all though if they run out of funding and have to just abandon ship at some point even before everything major is fixed.

They should have enough funding from the sales to fix this game fully, the question is if they will have enough left to start a new project and if they won't abandon this game in favour of a new project.

If they do abandon this game before fixing it fully, they will be known to me as "dirty devs" forever and nothing they will make in the future I will be interested in.

Honestly, I am very disappoint. I can deal with occasional crash or some stupid bugs during combat etc. But any bug, no matter how small, that invalidates my choice as a player turns me off completely. And I encountered a few even before Chapter 3 started.

I rushed in all excited and bought the Imperial edition, feel a bit of a fool now to be honest. It will make me a lot more cautious about pre-ordering in future though - the game still takes close to five mintues to start for me, every time, so no, not just the first time. And besides show stopper bugs, I've had several really bad crashes, forcing PC restarts. Nothing I own does this, its just a bit crap really so some severe "buyers remorse" here.

At least a couple months if there are still this many bugs after a month. I tried to clerics and all of their domain powers were broken and ignored. I just started again and picked animal domain. I got level 4 and picked a companion and he never showed up. Rested, still none. I was hoping third time would be a charm, but nope.

I honestly wished I waited for all the DLCs and a big sale. The core of the game is good, but the bugs and their heavy handed banning of anyone and everyone on steam for no discernable or logical reason has me pretty turned off by this company. Releasing a huge buggy mess is bad enough, but banning people for asking earnest questions is something that should make everyone leery of these guys.

This whole drama reminds me of Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines. The game turned out incredible, but only after a mountain of game breaking bugs were handled. I am enjoying this game, even if I keep daily running into more bugs, but we all have the right to expect better for our money than something this chronically broken.

Do i have to remind you, that the Gothic devs released a really bugged up game at the end? And it broke them. They had this bad reputation forever. when they released their new game, i didn´t wanted even to touch it. And BG1 was not as bugged as this game from the start.

And the reason, why this game is so bugged, is, that they deceided to not bug testing the second half part of the game. They deceided to not employ bug tester. Instead, we, as the players should do this job. But seriously? I have better things to do then to be an unpaid bug-hunter.
They released a game, just to be good enough for the game testers to fool them to get some good grade for being able for selling this game better.
Plus, they did not even make it easy, to help them. When you try to join their original forum to post the bugs, you get thrown out, as their spam-bot-recognize is bugged up, too, and throws you out.
I somehow even have the impression, they were aware of their shitty handling and wanted to keep as many people out, to not telling them, what shitty job they did.

What i learned from this game the hard way, is, not to buy games from the start. You pay much more and get an unfinished product. Rather wait for some month and then check, if the game is playable. I still avoid games, which are kinda bugged later on, too, as they will never fix them at this point.

But back to the OP question: i guess, somewhere around december hopefully most of the bugs are gone.

Keep telling you that ;)

And when the hype train hits you, you buy anyway. Think of all the great stuff you can do, you can be evil in this game. This alone makes it worth it.

* sigh *
..*grummel* i hate it, when people are right there. :P

Yep, Gothic was horribly buggy, but it wasn't until G3, that the buggyness killed them. As for others, it was horrible at release with numerous game breaking bugs. I worked for a software store at the time and they sent out emergency 3.5 patch diskettes to deal with some of the release issues people had.

Also, remember TOEE? Man, that game was a bug fest from the start, and don't get me started on Arcanum (OMG that game was a nightmare on release), oh and Vampire? Trokia got ripped hard for such (heck every game the released was filled with bugs).

I could go on and on about numerous releases back in the day that were a complete nightmare, but..., you get the point.

Now... does it justify this game being buggy as it is? Nope, not at all. Frankly in all these years, we should have learned something about proper development and optimization cycles, but hey... anyone who works in the real world knows how screwed up and backwards companies are (even the big ones) and we also don't have all the details (and never will) about the company and why things are the way they are.


I will say this, your assessment of 1st day release (or week/month) of a cRPG is a valid one. That is, anyone who really does not want to experience the chaos that comes with such a complex game system release, well... they should wait till they play it. This has been true for decades of cRPG gaming, even when the games were being sold in 5 1/4 floppies.

So far, chaos and disorganization aside... I think these guys have been doing a good job of trying to attend to the issues. Is it perfect? Nope... but I do think it is honest in intent, a certain acceptable merit of result. While the road to hell is paved with good intentions, the point is... the industry is filled with garbage and when a company actually tries to provide a game of quality, of actual game play (and not gimmicks to sell to the masses), I can say, speaking for myself, that I am more forgiving in such instances. Call me soft, a fan boy, etc... but I have watched gaming devolve over the last 30 years to the point I am a bit more accepting of the result of that intent than I was in the early days, for without these companies trying to actually still make games, we would be left with nothing more than mainstream entertainment simulators for the bored and inept.

pretty much every troika game was a mess. most of them had game-breaking bugs. and still literally ALL of them are golden classics and have cult following.

I consider VTMB the best game ever made to this day. but damn it was/is messy. and even with more than a decade of fan patches there are still bugs present.

Bingo! You hit the nail on the head. That is why I have been an advocate for this company even though this game has been a bit of a disaster at release.

The game is solid. It is "old school" brought to the current day. In my opinion, it blows BG away (though I admit I haven't played extremely far in the game due to the fact that I know they are still patching and working on issues). Point is, if every game/company was erased due to its extremely poor and buggy releases, there would be no great games of old to revere.

This is why with all the troubles of this game, they get a thumbs up from me. We need more companies willing to take the risk and push for quality in-depth systems rather than selling out pushing shallow mainstream garbage. Call me a fanboy, but if not accepting the garbage that is turned out these days makes me a fanboy, well.... make me the president of the fanboy club! *chuckle*

yeah. pretty much every big and complex game of old was a bug-fest to varying degree and patches were not as easy as a click of a button back then. you actually had to go to your local store in hopes they received them or buy a game magazine to get those back then. people just tend to forget how it actually was after all these years. all they can remember is how much fun they had.

if being lenient to a great game that has bugs (that are actually getting fixed) makes one a fanboy - I am a fanboy just as fine.