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RSHabroptilus: And to the topic starter...why is Romero's version the "European/Italian" version when it's made by a famed American film-maker?

I already said: the USA version is mean, the European/Italian is superb, and it's a whole another story than the original one. Dario Argento (a master of horror, or better still "giallo" movies as much as Romero) edited this version, and the Goblin band composed a masterpiece of progressive/rock OST. Go find on the Interwebs multimedia stuff and info....
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RSHabroptilus: I almost thought you were talking about the POS Zombi 2, or something. The band is just plain Goblin, too, not "the Goblins."

Never seen the zombie crap from "directors" other than Romero that tried to exploit the genre. With crap. Yeah yeah, the band is Goblin, I know their work very, very well. It was a mistake....
Post edited April 13, 2009 by KingofGnG
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RSHabroptilus: And to the topic starter...why is Romero's version the "European/Italian" version when it's made by a famed American film-maker?
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KingofGnG: I already said: the USA version is mean, the European/Italian is superb, and it's a whole another story than the original one. Dario Argento (a master of horror, or better still "giallo" movies as much as Romero) edited this version, and the Goblin band composed a masterpiece of progressive/rock OST. Go find on the Interwebs multimedia stuff and info....
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RSHabroptilus: I almost thought you were talking about the POS Zombi 2, or something. The band is just plain Goblin, too, not "the Goblins."

Never seen the zombie crap from "directors" other than Romero that tried to exploit the genre. With crap. Yeah yeah, the band is Goblin, I know their work very, very well. It was a mistake....

I used to know more about this stuff when I was into metal and zombie flicks &c 5 years ago. I don't remember hearing about Dario Argento making a different cut of the film. You also write it so it sounds like the Goblin soundtrack is exclusive to the Italian release???
Lucio Fulci is the man who made Zombi 2--as Dawn of the Dead was release as Zombi in Italy--, now known as just Zombie. He's about as famous as Dario Argento. IMO, they both suck.
I always thought giallo was more crime than horror, that giallo and horror were separate genres, even though a lot of directors like Fulci and Argento made giallo films in the '70s as well as horror. Whatever, I don't really care, no longer being a fan of any of this stuff anymore. Argento's fame is almost as confusing as Fucli's. While Fulci was an absolutely dreadful director whose fame is almost entirely due to his gore, Argento's directing wasn't (and isn't) much to look at, either.
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ElPixelIlustre: Everybody is talking about how good is the original Dawn of the Dead, but Zack Snyder's remake is also a pretty good zombie movie. But hey, I understand people who think that liking older movies makes you cool.

Some of us grew up watching those orginals thats why they are still considered awesome. It sounds like you don't watch any older movies at all, you should age doesn't always make a movie bad.
Also Zombies don't run!
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ElPixelIlustre: Everybody is talking about how good is the original Dawn of the Dead, but Zack Snyder's remake is also a pretty good zombie movie. But hey, I understand people who think that liking older movies makes you cool.
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Ralackk: Some of us grew up watching those orginals thats why they are still considered awesome. It sounds like you don't watch any older movies at all, you should age doesn't always make a movie bad.
Also Zombies don't run!

I didn't say old one isn't a good movie, it is. I said that the remake is also pretty good. Also I don't know why it sounds like I don't watch old movies...
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RSHabroptilus: I used to know more about this stuff when I was into metal and zombie flicks &c 5 years ago. I don't remember hearing about Dario Argento making a different cut of the film. You also write it so it sounds like the Goblin soundtrack is exclusive to the Italian release???

Yes, Argento edited the Italian version of the movie. And for what I recall the American edition did not have the Goblin OST.... The cult is the same, anyway, but the Italian version is just superior....
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RSHabroptilus: Lucio Fulci is the man who made Zombi 2--as Dawn of the Dead was release as Zombi in Italy--, now known as just Zombie. He's about as famous as Dario Argento. IMO, they both suck.

Never seen a film by Lucio Fulci. Anyway Fulci's and Argento's movie are different things, and Argento doesn't suck at all.
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RSHabroptilus: I always thought giallo was more crime than horror, that giallo and horror were separate genres, even though a lot of directors like Fulci and Argento made giallo films in the '70s as well as horror.

"Giallo" movies are like a thriller with gore. "Pure" horror films are a different thing, and Argento made both the types of them. "Suspiria", for instance, can be considered as an horror, "Profondo Rosso" is more on the giallo genre....
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RSHabroptilus: Argento's fame is almost as confusing as Fucli's. While Fulci was an absolutely dreadful director whose fame is almost entirely due to his gore, Argento's directing wasn't (and isn't) much to look at, either.

Apart from your personal taste, Dario Argento is with no doubt a master of horror (and giallo) genre.
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ElPixelIlustre: I didn't say old one isn't a good movie, it is. I said that the remake is also pretty good. Also I don't know why it sounds like I don't watch old movies...

The fucking zombies don't run, end of the story XD
Seriously speaking, it would be a good movie if the majors didn't pretend to call it a "remake" of something that is UTTERLY AND COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, in the Seventies....
Post edited April 15, 2009 by KingofGnG
Sure, zombies got all the spotlight now but they will never be able to top Nosferatu.
And the old B&W silent film of the same name is just as good.
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Grog: After that godawful piece of crap that is (argh) Twilight hit the mainstream, vampires are over. Kaput. Terminated.
Nothing about vampires can be scary or interesting anymore after that....thing.
Zombies, on the other hand, are scary and dangerous enough to become usable without plunging into ridicule.

Zombies are multi-purpose. They can be scary or ridiculous, or both at the same time, like the guy the military kept chained up like a dog at the end of 28 Days Later. Vampires lose a ton of their punch once they go too metro or emo. They can't recover from falling over the edge of absurdity like zombies can.
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KingofGnG: Yes, Argento edited the Italian version of the movie. And for what I recall the American edition did not have the Goblin OST.... The cult is the same, anyway, but the Italian version is just superior...

OIC. You actually made me look this up:

"Dario Argento's 118 minute European Zombi [versus 139 minutes for Romero's v.] cut differs greatly from both US versions. Argento specifically recut the film to meet the expectations of the European market, removing much of the character development and dialogue in favor of playing up the action-and-violence aspects of the film. The Zombi cut relied heavily on the film's comic-book adventure aspect, with the numerous edits removing much of Romero's underlying subtext—a fact that Romero acknowledges when he states Argento never really understood the film. In addition, Argento also removed most of Romero's stock cues and music, replacing them with the Goblin soundtrack, and included more classically-flavored music over the music heard in the mall. Though this version has a shorter running time, it features extensions and recuts of scenes not seen anywhere else, including an ending that removes the final montage sequence for a sparse, black backdrop."
Still no idea if I've seen this film. I haven't watched it in years.
I'll support that the remake wasn't wholly bad, either.
You sure you haven't seen any Fulci? I thought everyone's seen the famous SHARK V. ZOMBIE scene from Zombi 2 on YouTube, or something.
And come on, has anyone seen Let the Right One In? If not: GO SEE IT. It's amazing. But avoid the current DVD--I'm told the subtitles for it are awful. No metro vampires here (well, sorta...not to spoil anything).
Agreed. Very good movie. I've heard about the DVD subtitles being different than the ones released in theaters, but I saw it on DVD and liked it fine. Someone on a forum who is usually alert about such thngs wrote that he didn't notice the difference.
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Grog: After that godawful piece of crap that is (argh) Twilight hit the mainstream, vampires are over. Kaput. Terminated.
Nothing about vampires can be scary or interesting anymore after that....thing.
Zombies, on the other hand, are scary and dangerous enough to become usable without plunging into ridicule.
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Blarg: Zombies are multi-purpose. They can be scary or ridiculous, or both at the same time, like the guy the military kept chained up like a dog at the end of 28 Days Later. Vampires lose a ton of their punch once they go too metro or emo. They can't recover from falling over the edge of absurdity like zombies can.

In one of those weird coincidences, Amazon sent me a Kindle ad including this, which I submit is "falling off the edge of absurdity and landing in the Ninth Circle." :Pride and Prejudice and Zombies: The Classic Regency Romance - Now with Ultraviolent Zombie Mayhem!
http://www.amazon.com/Pride-Prejudice-Zombies-Classic-Ultraviolent/dp/B0023ZLILK/ref=pe_37970_11855980_as_txt_15/
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lotr-sam0711: Sure, zombies got all the spotlight now but they will never be able to top Nosferatu.
And the old B&W silent film of the same name is just as good.

If you like Nosferatu (the 1922 version) do get Shadow of the Vampire. They re-enacted a lot of the scenes and then expanded and ... well turned things around by asking a hm ... moral? ... question. It also of course plays with Max Schreck's "method acting", i.e. he always only was in costume when talking to the film crew. I'd actually rank Shadow of the Vampire as a horror movie - not in terms of gore and such but if you think about the implications of what people do. And William Dafoe as Count Orlok is amazing.
The only thing they got really really wrong is the fake German accents :(. The good thing is ... Nicolas Cage seems to be actually useful in a producer role, unlike when he's "acting".
-Mnemon
Post edited April 16, 2009 by Mnemon
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Luned: In one of those weird coincidences, Amazon sent me a Kindle ad including this, which I submit is "falling off the edge of absurdity and landing in the Ninth Circle." :Pride and Prejudice and Zombies: The Classic Regency Romance - Now with Ultraviolent Zombie Mayhem!
http://www.amazon.com/Pride-Prejudice-Zombies-Classic-Ultraviolent/dp/B0023ZLILK/ref=pe_37970_11855980_as_txt_15/

I saw that pop up too. I might buy it. The BBC website had a story on it the other day. Supposedly they're already putting together a movie.
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Luned: If you like Nosferatu (the 1922 version) do get Shadow of the Vampire. They re-enacted a lot of the scenes and then expanded and ... well turned things around by asking a hm ... moral? ... question. It also of course plays with Max Schreck's "method acting", i.e. he always only was in costume when talking to the film crew. I'd actually rank Shadow of the Vampire as a horror movie - not in terms of gore and such but if you think about the implications of what people do. And William Dafoe as Count Orlok is amazing.
The only thing they got really really wrong is the fake German accents :(. The good thing is ... Nicolas Cage seems to be actually useful in a producer role, unlike when he's "acting".
-Mnemon

I saw that and loved it too, though the ending seemed wan and forced to me. Dafoe was fantastic and, like you did, I gained a new respect for Cage for producing this.
Post edited April 16, 2009 by Blarg
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lotr-sam0711: Sure, zombies got all the spotlight now but they will never be able to top Nosferatu.
And the old B&W silent film of the same name is just as good.
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Mnemon: If you like Nosferatu (the 1922 version) do get Shadow of the Vampire.
I've heard a lot of good things about it. I'm sure its somewhere the dark ether of my Netflix queue.
Always hated vampires myself. They only exist for people who wish they could feel superior to everyone else.
And yes, I hated Hellsing, though I am an anime fan.
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meow: Always hated vampires myself. They only exist for people who wish they could feel superior to everyone else.

I see you form opinions with no basis in reality.