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romulus16: I dont get this whole crap.... A company releases a product that isnt a pain for the customer to use and then goes after the pirates whislt completeley unafecting the original customers yet people still go nuts...
It's because some of us actually care about other human beings besides ourselves that might be affected unfairly by this even if it doesn't happen to us or those dear to us. ;)
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romulus16: I dont get this whole crap.... A company releases a product that isnt a pain for the customer to use and then goes after the pirates whislt completeley unafecting the original customers yet people still go nuts...
Well I also don't get what is wrong with going after pirates. But the possibility that it could hit the wrong one in rare cases or the inability to prove that it always 100% correctly hits the right one somehow upset people and they became loud. Also the fines might be seen as too high. As for GOG I believe they weighted bad publicity and costs for this pursuit against income from fines and reduced piracy and decided that it's not worth it in the present situation.
Post edited January 13, 2012 by Trilarion
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Red_Avatar: And your argument is utter bullshit too - comparing robbing a bank using guns and endangering people's lives with downloading a game where no-one would even KNOW it happened unless they were snooping? Are you SERIOUS? After 20 years of piracy talks, I don't get why people STILL make these completely ridiculous analogies which are so horrible it personally offends my intelligence.
The point is that "I stole it because I'm impatient" is a completely utterly selfish ridiculous argument. Good job sidestepping the question to make yourself feel self righteous though. It doesn't even matter if you bought a copy, you're still seeding an illegal copy for other pirates. It's not so ridiculous an analogy, you're still stealing because you feel entitled to have it now, rather then later. It makes you sound like a spoiled child. Guess what? Sometimes you have to wait for something.
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Red_Avatar: And your argument is utter bullshit too - comparing robbing a bank using guns and endangering people's lives with downloading a game where no-one would even KNOW it happened unless they were snooping? Are you SERIOUS? After 20 years of piracy talks, I don't get why people STILL make these completely ridiculous analogies which are so horrible it personally offends my intelligence.
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PenutBrittle: The point is that "I stole it because I'm impatient" is a completely utterly selfish ridiculous argument. Good job sidestepping the question to make yourself feel self righteous though. It doesn't even matter if you bought a copy, you're still seeding an illegal copy for other pirates. It's not so ridiculous an analogy, you're still stealing because you feel entitled to have it now, rather then later. It makes you sound like a spoiled child. Guess what? Sometimes you have to wait for something.
You can block seeding when you torrent something.
Post edited January 13, 2012 by GameRager
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GameRager: You can block seeding when you torrent something.
Again, entirely missing the point of what I'm saying. There's no excuse for piracy, and even if there is an excuse "I didn't want to wait for it to ship to me" certainly isn't it.
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Kabuto: I never lost faith. Their 'extortion' was no different than harsh fines levied for illegally using public transit or punitive damages filed against a burglar.
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orcishgamer: Actually they were way higher than any fines I could find for using public transit without paying.
I used that example from a fine to original cost ratio perspective. Where I live a bus/metro ticket is $3.00. Fines range from $250-$300 plus administrative fees. There's no one time get out of jail free card either or using the I have the $3.00 in my pocket right now defense. First time offenders get the same fines as seasoned guys skipping out on paying.

$1000 is $50 times the cost of the game. In my example, the fine can be over 100 times the cost of a ticket. I suppose there's no additional fee if you go to court to fight it like it would be if you contested CDP's charges but there's some validity to my argument.
Post edited January 13, 2012 by Kabuto
I lost faith in them the moment I launched Witcher 2 and saw the main menu with fast forward shaking leaves and chaotic classical music. Then I started the game and saw all the signs of a console port, and the raped fighting system, and the broken stealth system, and and. And then I replayed Witcher 1 for the second time and regained peace.
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lettmon: Then I started the game and saw all the signs of a console port
It's funny , because console version of the game didn't exist then. It doesn't exist even today.

What was done (and only this) was optimizing controls for using gamepad, which has nothing to do with "console port" bs.
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lettmon: I lost faith in them the moment I launched Witcher 2 and saw the main menu with fast forward shaking leaves and chaotic classical music. Then I started the game and saw all the signs of a console port, and the raped fighting system, and the broken stealth system, and and. And then I replayed Witcher 1 for the second time and regained peace.
This might be the first ever case of a console port from a game that wasn't even ON consoles at its release! Well done.
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lettmon: I lost faith in them the moment I launched Witcher 2 and saw the main menu with fast forward shaking leaves and chaotic classical music. Then I started the game and saw all the signs of a console port, and the raped fighting system, and the broken stealth system, and and. And then I replayed Witcher 1 for the second time and regained peace.
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Lenok: This might be the first ever case of a console port from a game that wasn't even ON consoles at its release! Well done.
I don't actual think the words really have that meaning anymore. It seems to be more along the lines of, they did something I don't like.
I have to confess that I liked that interface from Witcher 1 more than the interface from Wichter 2. My main criticism is that more information is hidden now than before and you have to invoke more commands to achieve the same effects. But it's still okay because you can always adjust the keyboard settings.
Good.
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keeveek: It's funny , because console version of the game didn't exist then. It doesn't exist even today.
What was done (and only this) was optimizing controls for using gamepad, which has nothing to do with "console port" bs.
In that case it's even more sad - they made that terrible inventory for the pc version. But I'm sure it was planned to release console versions together with pc version but something didn't work out /troll mode off
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stoicsentry: ...
An errant button press (my fault) ate my post and I'm sorry I don't have the heart to type all that again:(
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orcishgamer: Actually they were way higher than any fines I could find for using public transit without paying.
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Kabuto: I used that example from a fine to original cost ratio perspective. Where I live a bus/metro ticket is $3.00. Fines range from $250-$300 plus administrative fees. There's no one time get out of jail free card either or using the I have the $3.00 in my pocket right now defense. First time offenders get the same fines as seasoned guys skipping out on paying.

$1000 is $50 times the cost of the game. In my example, the fine can be over 100 times the cost of a ticket. I suppose there's no additional fee if you go to court to fight it like it would be if you contested CDP's charges but there's some validity to my argument.
On one hand that's mathematically sound, on the other it's incredibly regressive when income is considered. This is the reason fines aren't generally levied like you suggest, they take into account damage done vs. median income. The reason the fines on public transit are between 200-300 USD is the same reason that fines on shoplifting are in the same range, regardless of the item shoplifted (up to a certain amount where it gets processed as felony theft).
Post edited January 13, 2012 by orcishgamer
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romulus16: I dont get this whole crap.... A company releases a product that isnt a pain for the customer to use and then goes after the pirates whislt completeley unafecting the original customers yet people still go nuts...
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GameRager: It's because some of us actually care about other human beings besides ourselves that might be affected unfairly by this even if it doesn't happen to us or those dear to us. ;)
Ok, but why only some 'humans' and not all of them? There are a lot of people who work at CDPR. Why don't they count as 'humans' when their work is being distributed without permission?