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Posted June 19, 2013
all I have to say is ....


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Posted June 19, 2013
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Fesin: You could actually, legally, theoretically sell your GOG.com games - give the person you're selling it to the installer in any form, and delete any copies you have. You could of course still download it, but this would then be illegal.
Why do you say "legally" there? I assume the GOG EULA says the license is not transferable, and such things haven't been tested enough in court to say one way or the other.

I don't personally see account-based ownership on GOG as allowing resale. You're honor system of just ignoring that box on your digital shelf is kind of funny, but not policy or practical.
Posted June 19, 2013
Not only is it mandatory to install every single game to your HDD, you also have to keep a disc in the tray now? That's... hardly convenient.

Anyway, now that both consoles charge their respective users fees for online play, combined with the fact the majority of new releases will undoubtedly pretty much force you to permanently associate them with your account (vide DLC, "online features enhancing single player experience", MMOs and so on), making it either difficult or flat out impossible to sell/lend your copy anyway... doesn't that make this "victory" a Pyrrhic one? Nothing has actually changed for the better.
Posted June 19, 2013
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StingingVelvet: ...
Of course you can sell your GOGs, don't be ridiculous and blind fanboi! You can sell them, and GOG can do nothing but cry in their little corners.
Posted June 19, 2013
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crazy_dave: I think the best would be to have both in the digital marketplace: stores which sell DRM-free games with no right to resale or account-based DRM stores with full right to resale - and the resale for digital goods could be done by selling back to the store a la GMG but even better peer-to-peer resale could be huge for consumers and companies if implemented right.
They would never do a GOG style DRM free download on a mass market device with brand new $60 games on it. Never. You and I can say how silly that is, that all it takes is a trip to any popular torrent site and blah blah blah, but they just will never do it. "Oh my god people could just put it on a USB stick and give it to all their friends!" The fear is there, and it's made more real and more threatening when we're talking about mainstream devices relying on teens and college kids to an absurd degree.

I think if Gamestop did not exist and have the power it has both companies would have gone with a simple Steam-like system, which consumers have shown they accept. They couldn't though, and what they tried instead brought down the fires of Olympus, so now I would guess they will push the digital offerings as best they can, with sales, unique features and hopefully an offline mode, and try to get consumers to switch naturally. Which honestly is the way to do it, and Microsoft has hopefully learned that.

I think MS were used to using their power to force change on consumers, but overstepped here.
Posted June 19, 2013
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Fesin: You could actually, legally, theoretically sell your GOG.com games - give the person you're selling it to the installer in any form, and delete any copies you have. You could of course still download it, but this would then be illegal.
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StingingVelvet: Why do you say "legally" there? I assume the GOG EULA says the license is not transferable, and such things haven't been tested enough in court to say one way or the other.

I don't personally see account-based ownership on GOG as allowing resale. You're honor system of just ignoring that box on your digital shelf is kind of funny, but not policy or practical.
Europe did say that simply buying a license does not stop right-to-resale - that you still have the right to resell that license. Thus a TOS that blocks resale is not valid. The US said that right-to-resale on DRM-free media (iTunes) is not possible because a copy-delete is not the same as a transfer of ownership.
Post edited June 19, 2013 by crazy_dave
Posted June 19, 2013
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Elenarie: Of course you can sell your GOGs, don't be ridiculous and blind fanboi! You can sell them, and GOG can do nothing but cry in their little corners.
I didn't say can't, I questioned the legality.
Posted June 19, 2013
I like steam.

And yay for the XBOne turnaround. Very good news for AMD who would have had all that tech go to waste on the unsold consoles. And yay to SONY for selling out on the pre-orders too. Very good for AMD all around.

:o]
Posted June 19, 2013
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StingingVelvet: They would never do a GOG style DRM free download on a mass market device with brand new $60 games on it. Never. You and I can say how silly that is, that all it takes is a trip to any popular torrent site and blah blah blah, but they just will never do it. "Oh my god people could just put it on a USB stick and give it to all their friends!" The fear is there, and it's made more real and more threatening when we're talking about mainstream devices relying on teens and college kids to an absurd degree.

I think if Gamestop did not exist and have the power it has both companies would have gone with a simple Steam-like system, which consumers have shown they accept. They couldn't though, and what they tried instead brought down the fires of Olympus, so now I would guess they will push the digital offerings as best they can, with sales, unique features and hopefully an offline mode, and try to get consumers to switch naturally. Which honestly is the way to do it, and Microsoft has hopefully learned that.

I think MS were used to using their power to force change on consumers, but overstepped here.
Well I mean yes if there was no convenient way to resale physical games then for a practical purpose people probably would've minded the loss of that right, but I think if Gamestop didn't exist then another company would've because clearly there is a market for used physical games. It is rumored Steam is working on a used-digital games model (see the link I posted your journalism thread).

I think you are right that the Xbox tried to force a Steam-like system on a physical distribution network where people understood they had rights more so than people did when digital games grew. Personally I wouldn't mind if a console digital store were to have DRM - as long as they also allowed resale. :)
Posted June 19, 2013
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StingingVelvet: I didn't say can't, I questioned the legality.
I was just replying with a style that many here reply with, showing power and all that crap, when the subject is another distributor. :) It was a joke. Personally, I don't care about this at all.
Posted June 19, 2013
Good for consumers, but I'll actually wait a year or two before I make my pick, its not like there are so many exclusives and no new games released on PC...
Posted June 19, 2013
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Elenarie: Of course you can sell your GOGs, don't be ridiculous and blind fanboi! You can sell them, and GOG can do nothing but cry in their little corners.
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StingingVelvet: I didn't say can't, I questioned the legality.
Legally it is still very much a grey area (see my post above). Personally I don't think you should be allowed to resell DRM-free digitally downloaded media, but that you should be able to resell physical and copy-protected (DRM'ed - especially account-based) media.
Post edited June 19, 2013 by crazy_dave
Posted June 19, 2013
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crazy_dave: Personally I don't think you should be allowed to resell DRM-free digitally downloaded media, but that you should be able to resell physical and copy-protected (DRM'ed - especially account-based) media.
Why the stupid double standard?
Posted June 19, 2013
Pity this didn't happen earlier-would have made the console wars less one-sided and more interesting to watch.
Posted June 19, 2013
They say that you still have to log in once to activate your game (like Steam). They only removed the system that you have to log in every 24h.
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