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Posted May 19, 2011
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BrianX: "You only have to look at the increasing amount of bisexual, homosexual, and lesbian encounters in Bioware's games over the year." There I fixed it for ya :)

Come on. Just because there are relatively few games out there with 'Adult' content doesn't mean you have to jump on the bandwagon and out do them for sensationalist reasons. If anything, I believe that mature content is increasing and not only for games but for movies. Some of the stuff that goes for R these days is basically porn. If you did some research, I bet you would find that PG movies were much more prevalent decades ago than are now. Its either all R rated or G rated Pixar knockoffs.

I also don't mean to come off like I want to censer anything, not at all, I just wish that designers would offer a simple damn button that took out the profanity if not all the gratuitous sex scenes. I just ask for options, that's all! Why not sell both a PG-13 rated game and an R rated game? You might actually get a wider audience because you are casting the net out wider. Alot of TV shows do that where the show on TV is rated PG, but there are uncut and uncensored DVDs out there. Just gimme options to how much 'Adult' content I would like in the game rather than force me to endure through it, ESPECIALLY if its tasteless, which, in my opinion, I believe Witcher 1's Adult content was.
That's just it, no one is "forcing" you to do anything. You bought the game, presumably fully aware of the content it contained, given its rating. That was your choice, not GOG's or CDPRed's. You do have an option, you just chose to take the one that exposed you to the content you seem to dislike. Given that, you made the wrong choice.
Posted May 19, 2011
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BrianX: I don't have kids, yet. But when I do, I wouldn't mind having certain precautions just in case I want to play an 'Adult' game. That is another straw-man argument you thrust out there. Don't you think that ADULTS have kids?! So why not 'pander' to the a good majority of your adult audience that do have kids and are sensitive to what you want them exposed to at a young age and place a simple option to remove the profanity and sex scenes? I mean, isn't the idea of options behind games these days? If a game designer can add a bajillion options for graphics settings, surely they can add an option in the game to remove the more 'Adult' crap. By the way, I hope that you can one day grasp that Adult content and mature themes are completely different things and what goes for Adult these days is sensationalist crap that is lazily added on for sales.

If you REALLY like the Witcher's adult content so much (profanity and tasteless sex scenes and misogyny), why don't you download the awesomely adult Leisure Suit Larry game that just came out to RAVE reviews! Or, better yet, download the Playboy Mansion game and get yo freak on!

I repent that I ever implied that Lehti was a porno-freak (sorry, 'twas just teasing), that description fits you to a 'T.'
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bossonova: I can see why there are pissing contests. you ever point to that one person in a group and that is the person that ruins the fun for everyone else. this is brianx. i think that the mentality to change m rated witcher to a pg 13 experience is not very mature of him. The game is meant for mature people and yes there are even adults (brianx as proof) that are not mature and can't handle these types of games. The fact that there is too much profanity in these games for him as compared to less profanity is still having the same impact. A nude scene to be erased by a mod just spells immaturity to most. I thank the lord everyday that he is the minority within the videogame field or else all we will play is pg games. what a world that would be.
You wrote: "I thank the lord everyday that he is the minority within the videogame field or else all we will play is pg games. what a world that would be."

What Lord do you pray to?

"I thank the Lord everyday that there are scenes of pr0n and profanity still left in 'Adult' games, amen."

o_O
Posted May 19, 2011
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bossonova: I can see why there are pissing contests. you ever point to that one person in a group and that is the person that ruins the fun for everyone else. this is brianx. i think that the mentality to change m rated witcher to a pg 13 experience is not very mature of him. The game is meant for mature people and yes there are even adults (brianx as proof) that are not mature and can't handle these types of games. The fact that there is too much profanity in these games for him as compared to less profanity is still having the same impact. A nude scene to be erased by a mod just spells immaturity to most. I thank the lord everyday that he is the minority within the videogame field or else all we will play is pg games. what a world that would be.
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BrianX: You wrote: "I thank the lord everyday that he is the minority within the videogame field or else all we will play is pg games. what a world that would be."

What Lord do you pray to?

"I thank the Lord everyday that there are scenes of pr0n and profanity still left in 'Adult' games, amen."

o_O
JEBUS
Posted May 19, 2011
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olgar: JEBUS
Hey, the good book says make with the sexing, then pray and then get back to the sexing.

True story.

There is an awful lot of sex and people trying to get sex in there.
Posted May 19, 2011
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BrianX: I don't have kids, yet. But when I do, I wouldn't mind having certain precautions just in case I want to play an 'Adult' game. That is another straw-man argument you thrust out there. Don't you think that ADULTS have kids?! So why not 'pander' to the a good majority of your adult audience that do have kids and are sensitive to what you want them exposed to at a young age and place a simple option to remove the profanity and sex scenes? I mean, isn't the idea of options behind games these days? If a game designer can add a bajillion options for graphics settings, surely they can add an option in the game to remove the more 'Adult' crap. By the way, I hope that you can one day grasp that Adult content and mature themes are completely different things and what goes for Adult these days is sensationalist crap that is lazily added on for sales.

If you REALLY like the Witcher's adult content so much (profanity and tasteless sex scenes and misogyny), why don't you download the awesomely adult Leisure Suit Larry game that just came out to RAVE reviews! Or, better yet, download the Playboy Mansion game and get yo freak on!

I repent that I ever implied that Lehti was a porno-freak (sorry, 'twas just teasing), that description fits you to a 'T.'
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macuahuitlgog: The Leisure Suit Larry games are not for men who hate females considering women in those games are portrayed as goddesses and treat Larry like sh*t. And I find it sad when a man uses the word "misogyny"... A word that is used(more like abused) by women who hate men.
Good point about my use of Misogyny, I was wrong. That word is too harsh to describe most of the sexual situations in Witcher 1. HOWEVER, it doesn't take a genuis to figure out that the MAJORITY of the women in Witcher 1 (excluding the grannies) were big breasted sex fiends, while a few were actually smart and on the level with men. Misogyny though can also be implied rather than explicit, sometimes just treatment of women (sex objects) can lead to a 'hatred' of the fairer sex. Granted, individuals need to learn self-control and in most civilized countries there is a good degree of self-control amongst the masses.

I think the Witcher 1 actually did a better job of treating women than MOST games in the industry, but its still FAR from perfect and I hope Witcher 2 is a vast improvement on how women are portrayed. Actually, from viewing the one torture scene in the beginning in the Jail scene, I think it was well handled. Maybe Witcher 2 is an improvement to all the Adult areas of the game design that Witcher, in my opinion, failed on.
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Smannesman: Dear developer,

Please redesign your game according to my vision which is infinitely better than your vision.
Everybody knows Elves never swear, to represent them as foul mouthed terrorists in your game is just wrong.
After you're done changing the entire game to my vastly superior vision and sensibilities I will be available to tell you how your next game is supposed to be.

Kind regards,

Brian.
Can I print this out and send it to CDProjekt?!
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Posted May 19, 2011
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bossonova: I can see why there are pissing contests. you ever point to that one person in a group and that is the person that ruins the fun for everyone else. this is brianx. i think that the mentality to change m rated witcher to a pg 13 experience is not very mature of him. The game is meant for mature people and yes there are even adults (brianx as proof) that are not mature and can't handle these types of games. The fact that there is too much profanity in these games for him as compared to less profanity is still having the same impact. A nude scene to be erased by a mod just spells immaturity to most. I thank the lord everyday that he is the minority within the videogame field or else all we will play is pg games. what a world that would be.
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BrianX: Yeah, I ruined the fun for everyone by pointing out the Witcher 1's gratiuitous and pointless sex scenes and immersion ruining stream of voice-garbage/profanity ruined the game for me. Whine much? All I ask is that designers either make better design decisions with regards to Adult material (tasteful), or at least give the option in-game to tone down some of the needless and pointless stuff (sex-scenes, profanity). Seriously, I ruined your fun? Wow. I bet to negate that, you downloaded the extra pr0n and heavy-duty profanity MOD huh?
You did miss the point but that is because i made you upset. sex scenes and profanity are not needless and pointless and they do not need to be toned down because it would change the essence of the game. Deralt would not be seen in the same light as he is now. if you had the power you would ruin everybody's fun as long as it caters to your toned down garbage method. wake up brian. this is the year 2011 so smell the coffee. If you really want toned down then move to the middle east. you really should not make assumptions within your anger rant cause you just look fuckin stupid. your not as bright as you think you are.
Posted May 19, 2011
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Tulivu: When my daughter is old enough to understand what is going on while I play games, her bedtime is dropping to 6:30.

Sorry Brian, but I doubt adults with kids are a big factor in M rated title production. Like you said, M rated content isn't always that mature. You just have to take it or start your own mod community that caters to the conservative taste.
True. I still think my idea of having options to tone down certain elements of Adult games (like they give for graphics cards settings) would be a nice feature and would actually make the game more accessible for certain sensitive individuals such as myself :)

It speaks volumes that my idea is worth considering because of how many MODs are available in other games (Oblivion is one example) that tone down certain elements. I don't think it would be too difficult to give us gamers more options in that department.
Posted May 19, 2011
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Tulivu: When my daughter is old enough to understand what is going on while I play games, her bedtime is dropping to 6:30.

Sorry Brian, but I doubt adults with kids are a big factor in M rated title production. Like you said, M rated content isn't always that mature. You just have to take it or start your own mod community that caters to the conservative taste.
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BrianX: True. I still think my idea of having options to tone down certain elements of Adult games (like they give for graphics cards settings) would be a nice feature and would actually make the game more accessible for certain sensitive individuals such as myself :)

It speaks volumes that my idea is worth considering because of how many MODs are available in other games (Oblivion is one example) that tone down certain elements. I don't think it would be too difficult to give us gamers more options in that department.
I could point to just as many mods that increase certain types of content, like nude mods or the infamous "Hot Coffee" mod. Should we also have a built-in function that increases such content within a game?
Post edited May 19, 2011 by cogadh
Posted May 19, 2011
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BrianX: So why not 'pander' to the a good majority of your adult audience that do have kids (...)
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Vestin: Because CDP RED guys don't "pander", they make games.

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BrianX: (...)I mean, isn't the idea of options behind games these days?
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Vestin: No.

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BrianX: If a game designer can add a bajillion options for graphics settings, surely they can add an option in the game to remove the more 'Adult' crap.
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Vestin: Ingame content is not a renderable layer that can be turned on/off or adjusted with a slider.

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BrianX: (...) I hope that you can one day grasp (...)
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Vestin: I think the hope is mutual.

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BrianX: (...) what goes for Adult these days is sensationalist crap that is lazily added on for sales.
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Vestin: And here we were, complaining how developers are afraid to include mature themes in games, in fear of getting too high ratings and dealing with regional censorship... not to mention the tendency to target a larger audience.
The scales have truly fallen from my eyes -_-".

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BrianX: If you REALLY like the Witcher's adult content so much (profanity and tasteless sex scenes and misogyny), why don't you download the awesomely adult Leisure Suit Larry
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Vestin: There's nothing quite like insulting classic adventure games. Of course - your ad personam doesn't end there...

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BrianX: Or, better yet, download the Playboy Mansion game and get yo freak on!
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Vestin: That's more like it. Crude, extreme and personal...

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BrianX: I repent that I ever implied that Lehti was a porno-freak (sorry, 'twas just teasing), that description fits you to a 'T.'
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Vestin: And this sentence (as well as the general tone and the whole reason for this thread) nicely shows what kind of a twist you're trying to put here. OBVIOUSLY "porn" is something so despicable that it's an enormous insult to imply someone has interest in it and as such we can easily put "freak" next to it.

BBL. Ironically - there's a seminar on cultural differences I have to attend...
Yes. Options are something that game designers are being more pressed to incorporate into their games these days, just read any article in Gamasutra and you are sure to find many discussions revolving around that issue. Please don't limit CDProjekt, I am sure they are very capable of creating more options for gamers.

I agree with you that doing voice-overs and trying to create a slider for that is near impossible, but surely within the age of the Internets there is some programmer genius out there who can design such a thing. I mean, there are many MODs in other games that tack on features and options a few days after the main game comes out. I suppose I need to look to the Modding community to realize the perfect game :) (power to the peeps!)

Yes, I am glad that you are being educated on cultural differences, and I hope that one day I will realize that ALL cultures embrace pornography and explicit language equally. I AM SUCH A FOOL! I need to appreciate and consume porn and explicit language rather than avoid it, I am so blind!

Oh, I didn't insult the Leisure Suit Larry originals that were made in the 80s and early 90s by Sierra, they are, as you said, classics and I have played most of them when they came out, but I was referring to the most recent one that got horrible reviews (I was joking when I said 'rave reviews' just in case you didn't get that). I should have been more specific, but I think most older gamers here knew what I was talking about.

Also, I only use my limited reserves of sarcastic wit for those who deserve it :)
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Aningan: If Planescape:Torment was done today it would have T&A. Just saying. ;)
You are probably correct.

HOWEVER, do you think it would have been done tastefully or over the top?

In my opinion, in the wrong developer's hands, it would probably be over the top (see Dragon Age 2!). I should probably go back to choose your own adventure books or Zork lol. Nah, I still think there is great room for AWESOME adult content games, I think Red Dead Redemption is a GREAT example.
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macuahuitlgog: Dear developer,

REMOVE THOSE TITTIES!!! THEY ARE HURTING MY EYES!! EVIL EVIL TITTIES OF BABYLON!


sincerely,
Brian
Lol. Are these actual subtitles buried for later animal pr0n scenes in the game!?!?
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BrianX: Thats a good idea actually, thanks. But I had the subtitles on even with the English voiceovers and they still showed profanity. Maybe I should learn Polish just for the quests lol.
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macuahuitlgog: Why don't you just create BrianX's no sex, no titties, no cursing mod for the game? It is probably easier than learning a new language.
Between all copious pornography DVDs I watch, I just have no time whatsoever.
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Posted May 19, 2011
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Fuzzyfireball: You'll either need to find a mod, man up and deal with it, or just stop playing. Plenty of other games out there.
Yeah, I think, for now, I'm going to substitute W1 for Drakensang: River of Time, Two Worlds 2, and some BG2. Not really knocking W1 as a high-quality RPG game goes, I guess its 'adult' content just didn't suit my tastes is all.

Heck, I might even go back to Fallout 2 :) now THERE is an adult game done right ;)
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BrianX: I agree to a point. A videogame has to stand on its own apart from the books because many gamers may not know about the source material, don't read books, hate to read books, don't care about books, etc. Its like when they released the Lord of the Rings movies, my friend had NO clue there were books about the movies done more than 50 years ago. My friend just enjoyed the movies as they were presented without knowing nothing of the source material. Yes, the source enhances the experience, but when presenting it in a different medium where the art is presented differently (sometimes drastically) there may have to be 'modifications' made so that most will grasp the whole game. However, 'modifications' shouldn't be an excuse to crucify the story, etc. A good example, in my opinion, is how they presented Dragon Age 2 which feels COMPLETELY different from the first game. Don't dumb it down, but also have a balance of certain elements so that its not a schizophrenic offering (how I felt playing Witcher 1).
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macuahuitlgog: Did you just say Dragon Age 2 is better than the Witcher?
H*** no! I am avoiding DA2 like the plague because it seems like it threw out everything that made DA1 so great. Again, W1 is a great game, but it doesn't suit my tastes in the adult areas (nudity/profanity).
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cogadh: Seriously? What did you think you were going to get with a game that is rated "M for Mature", rainbows and ponies? Do you expect to go to a NC-17 or R rated movie and not have things like blood, boobies and bad words? If you are offended by contextually appropriate nudity, gore and swearing, then the solution is simple: don't buy mature rated games; stick with the "T for Teen" and lower rated games, they shouldn't offend your fragile sensibilities. The developers of The Witcher games don't need to be wasting their time or resources on creating a "don't offend the repressed American" patch just for you, they have much better things to do, like working on DLC for the Witcher 2 or starting on the Witcher 3.
Yes, I am a repressed America because I like good taste. Sounds like you ate a delicious terd for you to get all bent out of shape over my comment, I guess I ruined your fun by pointing out in a very detailed way that W1's use of sex scenes and profanity was needlessly tacked on and jarring. I AM SO REPRESSED!
Post edited May 19, 2011 by BrianX
Posted May 19, 2011
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Smannesman: Dear developer,

Please redesign your game according to my vision which is infinitely better than your vision.
Everybody knows Elves never swear, to represent them as foul mouthed terrorists in your game is just wrong.
After you're done changing the entire game to my vastly superior vision and sensibilities I will be available to tell you how your next game is supposed to be.

Kind regards,

Brian.
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BrianX: Can I print this out and send it to CDProjekt?!
Of course, it's signed with your name.
Be sure to post their reply though.
Posted May 19, 2011
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BrianX: Yeah, I ruined the fun for everyone by pointing out the Witcher 1's gratiuitous and pointless sex scenes and immersion ruining stream of voice-garbage/profanity ruined the game for me. Whine much? All I ask is that designers either make better design decisions with regards to Adult material (tasteful), or at least give the option in-game to tone down some of the needless and pointless stuff (sex-scenes, profanity). Seriously, I ruined your fun? Wow. I bet to negate that, you downloaded the extra pr0n and heavy-duty profanity MOD huh?
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bossonova: You did miss the point but that is because i made you upset. sex scenes and profanity are not needless and pointless and they do not need to be toned down because it would change the essence of the game. Deralt would not be seen in the same light as he is now. if you had the power you would ruin everybody's fun as long as it caters to your toned down garbage method. wake up brian. this is the year 2011 so smell the coffee. If you really want toned down then move to the middle east. you really should not make assumptions within your anger rant cause you just look fuckin stupid. your not as bright as you think you are.
Yes, its 2011 and we should INCREASE the level of ridiculously placed profanity in videogames and ENLARGE even further the breastessess!!! WE NEED TO GROW UP, ITS 2011 PEOPLEZ! WE NEED MORE PORN AND VERBAL DIARRHEA!!!

Why, boss, I feel so silly and stupid! You have opened my eyes! I have been living in the Middle East under a rock all these years!! Oh happy day! I need to smell the Hot Coffee MOD and increase the level of immature (disguised as mature and 'adult') content so that the gameplay, setting, monsters, characters, atmosphere, and story are enhanced by 8 to the fifth power! I HAVE BEEN SO BLIND!!!

My Middle Eastern brothers need to wake up and start stripping their women in the streets from head to toe so that their nakedness need not be covered up! NAKEDNESS IS AWESOMENESS! Why, I need to reveal to my repressed American Middle Eastern brothers that constant pointless profanity and cursing is beneficial to our health and souls! I DEMAND MORE BECAUSE TO BE IMMATURE IS TO BE AN ADULT!!!

Thanks boss, for opening up my eyes, sorry I ruined the game for you. :)
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cogadh: ...they have much better things to do, like working on DLC for the Witcher 2 or starting on the Witcher 3.
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nondeplumage: Hey, I haven't ruled out hope that they'll fit a sci-fi RPG in between there somewhere.
For all my negativity on the 'Adult' stuff in W1, I think these guys would do an absolute bang up job on a sci-fi universe RPG. I really think the guys behind W1 and 2 are really the last of the few game companies that actually care and want to make really amazing video-games. One day soon, I think video-games will be seen the way top-notch movies are viewed. We are getting close, I just hope that Role-Playing games will get there faster :)
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Posted May 19, 2011
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Mentalepsy: I don't disagree with your assertion that The Witcher isn't quite as adult as it thinks it is, but I don't see what you'd get out of a chopped version. Just going through the game and extracting material the way you're describing is just going to leave noticeable holes. It's not the same as if the game had been better handled in the first place.

I thought Black Swan would have been a much better movie if they'd left out all the pointless schizophrenic crap and psycho-thriller pretensions and focused on making a more grounded dark drama. That doesn't mean I would want to watch a version of the film with all the CGI and dementia scenes cut out, because then it would just be complete nonsense.
I haven't seen the Black Swan yet, but I like the Director and yeah, he can get pretty pretentious based on his previous movies.

But I have to disagree with you Mental, I think that if they would have toned down the Witcher 1's profanity, and made less ado about the sex scenes, it wouldn't have ruined the experience. I mean, just the atmosphere alone grabbed me from the beginning. The way the sound effects and music affects the storyline eliminates was fantastic. But then, all of a sudden, the Witcher blurts out a stupid curse word and then, for me, that broke the immersion because I thought I was playing a fantasy RPG and not GTA: Fantasy Edition. I mean, yeah, dwarves, elves, and gnomes can curse all they want to, but damn, be creative about it. Again, I thought the way Battlestar Galactica used the word 'Frak' was pretty ingenius. It was a subsitute yeah, but at least it fit the universe and didn't pull you out of the setting. To me, it would be like going to a Ren Fair and all of a sudden everyone is talking gangsta style.

The atmosphere, creatures, setting, graphics, etc, were perfect. Not so much for the way they handled combat and the adult themes. Maybe W2 fixed both those.

A well placed 'Damnit' is infinitely better than a badly placed overused 'F' word anytime.
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BrianX: "You only have to look at the increasing amount of bisexual, homosexual, and lesbian encounters in Bioware's games over the year." There I fixed it for ya :)

Come on. Just because there are relatively few games out there with 'Adult' content doesn't mean you have to jump on the bandwagon and out do them for sensationalist reasons. If anything, I believe that mature content is increasing and not only for games but for movies. Some of the stuff that goes for R these days is basically porn. If you did some research, I bet you would find that PG movies were much more prevalent decades ago than are now. Its either all R rated or G rated Pixar knockoffs.

I also don't mean to come off like I want to censer anything, not at all, I just wish that designers would offer a simple damn button that took out the profanity if not all the gratuitous sex scenes. I just ask for options, that's all! Why not sell both a PG-13 rated game and an R rated game? You might actually get a wider audience because you are casting the net out wider. Alot of TV shows do that where the show on TV is rated PG, but there are uncut and uncensored DVDs out there. Just gimme options to how much 'Adult' content I would like in the game rather than force me to endure through it, ESPECIALLY if its tasteless, which, in my opinion, I believe Witcher 1's Adult content was.
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cogadh: That's just it, no one is "forcing" you to do anything. You bought the game, presumably fully aware of the content it contained, given its rating. That was your choice, not GOG's or CDPRed's. You do have an option, you just chose to take the one that exposed you to the content you seem to dislike. Given that, you made the wrong choice.
That is true, I did make the wrong choice in hindsight, but learning from mistakes is a part of life.

Also, what I meant by 'forced' is that, when you are in the game, you have to listen to the profanity (unless you press escape and then miss all the story). With the sex scenes you have options, you don't HAVE to sleep with anyone, at least not in the parts that I played. Its not that I hate sex, its just that I felt it was tacky and pointless (in Fable it makes more sense to me). But at least I could chose, within the game, not to bed every girl (although those grannies looked pretty hot!!!).
Post edited May 19, 2011 by BrianX
Posted May 19, 2011
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olgar: JEBUS
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nondeplumage: Hey, the good book says make with the sexing, then pray and then get back to the sexing.

True story.

There is an awful lot of sex and people trying to get sex in there.
That is true, but there is also context along with those 'sex scenes.' I don't like the fact that one of my Biblical heroes, David, killed a guy (Uriah) so he could get in the sack with his wife (Bathsheba), but its a reality that wasn't glossed over and David paid for that sin BIG TIME.

Sex is amazingly awesome in the right context, in my opinion (but also in the Bible's opinion too). I'm not going to go all religious on you, but according to the Bible evil and messed up mankind screwed up the ideal situation and context for how sex should be for humans-at least from God's point of view. That's a whole nuther can of worms that I could open, but I digress. I am conservative in my view of sex, yes, but that doesn't mean I hate it. I have my standards and limits, but I am no hard-core puritan. Dude, I could go on and on about the amazing sex I have with my wife, but that would be way too personal and would venture into Witcher 1 territory ;)
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BrianX: But I have to disagree with you Mental, I think that if they would have toned down the Witcher 1's profanity, and made less ado about the sex scenes, it wouldn't have ruined the experience.
Yes, it would have. Just not for you.

I would argue that it was ruined for the people who bought the game because it was based on the Witcher books, which do contain that amount of swearing and nudity.

Just because a lot of other developers, writers and movie producers use a kinder, gentler world does not mean that it is appropriate for this game, and you came in expecting the wrong version because you knew nothing about the source material.

A fantasy world is not every fantasy world,
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