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Posted May 19, 2011
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takezodunmer2005: Here's an idea, why not simply play the game with polish voice-overs with English subtitles instead of English voices (American accents destroy immersion anyways)
Clever! :) Especially as AFAIK, the audio was originally recorded in Polish.
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Posted May 19, 2011
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Tulivu: Your robot facade doesn't fool me you porno freak. You just have it on another tab.
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Lehti: I AM UNDONE
Lehti, I won't judge you at all. Again, its just a personal preference and although I am much more sensitive to profanity and certain displays of sexuality, I am no prude by any stretch of the imagination. I really do want to enjoy Witcher 1 because of its really cool RPG elements but it is also a personal decision to either walk away from it (unless it was modded) or try and stomach the profanity. I may be over-reacting, but I am just trying to be true to myself :)

I don't want to seem like a hypocrite because I will probably pick up Gears of War 3 which will most likely have profanity, but I think my main argument is HOW designers use 'Adult' themes tastefully and logically to reflect a more nuanced and realistic mirror of reality. A fine balance between the profane and innocence (of which reality is composed of both) perhaps?

So, while I will probably pick up Gears of War 3, I might hesitate to pick up Bulletstorm because of the way they use way too much needless profanity in that one. Its just harder to discern these days what to buy because Adult content in games and entertainment are handled in many different ways.
Posted May 19, 2011
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BrianX: Depends on where you stroll. There are some places in New York City or London where it would be very odd to hear the type and amount of swearing that Witcher 1 does.
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Delixe: I guess the point I was making which seems to have been lost is that The Witcher is very close to it's source material and that's a good thing. You could also say A Game of Thrones is full of sex and violence but it's in the books as well. When things stray from the source material they not only upset the fans but they tend to butcher the story. Case in point is the movie Watchmen which Alan Moore was none too pleased with.
Very true. I think that understanding the source material is necessary to appreciate the product. Literature is entirely underrated these days, IMO. Gratuity has its place sometimes (Starship Troopers).

EDIT: No, not IMO. Its a fact.
Post edited May 19, 2011 by Tulivu
Posted May 19, 2011
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nondeplumage: "Would you mind putting in a lot of work to censor the game just for my poor wounded sensitivity? Because profanity and sex are silly, but man, I loved the killing."
No offense to the OP, but... Well said!
Posted May 19, 2011
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I, for one, cannot imagine Geralt blurting out "By Bilbo's Blasted Boxers" or anything similar...

I mean, look at him. His Geralt of Rivia, the famous white wolf. Of course he swears.

And when dwarfs cuss at someone, it just is their nature. They are no fairytale dwarfs, they are heavily discriminated, angry and very hardheaded race.
Posted May 19, 2011
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Tulivu: Very true. I think that understanding the source material is necessary to appreciate the product. Literature is entirely underrated these days, IMO. Gratuity has its place sometimes (Starship Troopers).

EDIT: No, not IMO. Its a fact.
The thing is: Sapkowski was born in 1948. From what I hear, I presume he's stuck in the mentality of late 1970s and 1980s Poland, and so are his books. Fair enough. But in adaptations, of all kinds, it is perfectly valid (and I'd even say required) to look at the source material critically, from your current perspective (because you're making your adaptation for a contemporary audience, naturally), and consider the possibility of tweaking it to fit the new context. And this is where I believe the game fails. At least for me, a thoroughly post-modern person who drank from the poisoned cup of equality and feminism and all that. The mindset is unacceptable to me, that's all there is to it.

One thing to stress, though: CDProjekt RED of course was free to choose the route they did with the adaptation. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. I'm just pointing out that as far as I'm concerned, it was a mistake.

And one last point: the word is used quite liberally here, and I believe the core issue is a misunderstanding of its definition. To me, "mature" is a mindset. Not tits.
Posted May 19, 2011
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KneeTheCap: I, for one, cannot imagine Geralt blurting out "By Bilbo's Blasted Boxers" or anything similar...

I mean, look at him. His Geralt of Rivia, the famous white wolf. Of course he swears.

And when dwarfs cuss at someone, it just is their nature. They are no fairytale dwarfs, they are heavily discriminated, angry and very hardheaded race.
Hahahah, yeah. Imagine a Witcher game with a Geralt that doesn't sleep with women, and says "By Bilbo's Blasted Boxers" when he is pissed off. And Triss is a rainbow princess sorceress. Geralt also has a sidekick named Stumpy that saves him once in awhile but other than that, he is pretty much useless.
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Posted May 19, 2011
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BrianX: I LOVE the Witcher because of the excellent RPG elements, the fantasy setting, the story, the monsters, the characters, etc. It is just the profanity that turns me off. It would be like hanging around a cool friend but having to hear them cuss ALL the time, it would be jarring and eventually grating on the nerves.

I want to finish the 1st game, but until I find a patch for the 'Adult' stuff, I will probably not finish it.

Also, its not like profanity happens all the time in the game, but its happened so often and at weird times that it has jarred me out of the immersion because it just seems so tacked on as if American culture suddenly intruded into the game pulling me out of the setting.

Again, I like the GAME mechanics, etc, its the tacked on 'Adult' stuff that really turns me off. I'm going to play Drakensang: River of Time until I find a patch to Witcher 1 that removes the profanity.


Oh please. You do know why I added the ;) at the end of the statement, right? It was because I was teasing :)

You sir, are no porno-freak because if you were you would be downloading pr0n right now instead of engaging in relevant discussion ;)
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macuahuitlgog: Fine, then don't play the game. You can't expect a patch for every game in this world you wan't to play but at same time, don't want to play because of some of the content in the game. You are not the king of the world. And the day the Witcher series starts catering to people like you is the day, I lose interest in the Witcher series because then the Witcher games will be boring, too unrealistic etc.
Over-react much? I was only asking if they had a patch, MOD, or if there was a censored version out there. The discussion of this thread then turned to the merits of adding 'Adult' content tastefully, etc. If ya can't stand the heat, get out of tha kitchen. AND I AM THE KING OF THE WORLD, BOW BEFORE ME.
Posted May 19, 2011
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bazilisek: At least for me, a thoroughly post-modern person who drank from the poisoned cup of equality and feminism and all that.
Man, you are a total opposite of me :)
Posted May 19, 2011
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Tulivu: Very true. I think that understanding the source material is necessary to appreciate the product. Literature is entirely underrated these days, IMO. Gratuity has its place sometimes (Starship Troopers).

EDIT: No, not IMO. Its a fact.
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bazilisek: The thing is: Sapkowski was born in 1948. From what I hear, I presume he's stuck in the mentality of late 1970s and 1980s Poland, and so are his books. Fair enough. But in adaptations, of all kinds, it is perfectly valid (and I'd even say required) to look at the source material critically, from your current perspective (because you're making your adaptation for a contemporary audience, naturally), and consider the possibility of tweaking it to fit the new context. And this is where I believe the game fails. At least for me, a thoroughly post-modern person who drank from the poisoned cup of equality and feminism and all that. The mindset is unacceptable to me, that's all there is to it.

One thing to stress, though: CDProjekt RED of course was free to choose the route they did with the adaptation. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. I'm just pointing out that as far as I'm concerned, it was a mistake.

And one last point: the word is used quite liberally here, and I believe the core issue is a misunderstanding of its definition. To me, "mature" is a mindset. Not tits.
I understand that, (wait for it) however as long as they were trying to represent the source material why would they provide a version neutered of what they consider (even if they're wrong) essential?

I completely agree with your "mature" statement. I think those games should just be rated tits.
Posted May 19, 2011
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macuahuitlgog: Fine, then don't play the game. You can't expect a patch for every game in this world you wan't to play but at same time, don't want to play because of some of the content in the game. You are not the king of the world. And the day the Witcher series starts catering to people like you is the day, I lose interest in the Witcher series because then the Witcher games will be boring, too unrealistic etc.
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BrianX: Over-react much? I was only asking if they had a patch, MOD, or if there was a censored version out there. The discussion of this thread then turned to the merits of adding 'Adult' content tastefully, etc. If ya can't stand the heat, get out of tha kitchen. AND I AM THE KING OF THE WORLD, BOW BEFORE ME.
I just love the game the way it is. And if you are the king of the world, then I am the emperor of the universe. :P
Posted May 19, 2011
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BrianX: Over-react much? I was only asking if they had a patch, MOD, or if there was a censored version out there. The discussion of this thread then turned to the merits of adding 'Adult' content tastefully, etc. If ya can't stand the heat, get out of tha kitchen. AND I AM THE KING OF THE WORLD, BOW BEFORE ME.
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macuahuitlgog: I just love the game the way it is. And if you are the king of the world, then I am the emperor of the universe. :P
Now if we were only at a public urinal instead of a forum we could end this pissing contest.
Posted May 19, 2011
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BrianX: I mean CDProject is known to go all out for their fans, why not just add a simple option?
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nondeplumage: I hate half the stuff you put in the game, but I'm a total fan, so pander to me.

And way to use your kids for your benefit there. That's outstanding.
I don't have kids, yet. But when I do, I wouldn't mind having certain precautions just in case I want to play an 'Adult' game. That is another straw-man argument you thrust out there. Don't you think that ADULTS have kids?! So why not 'pander' to the a good majority of your adult audience that do have kids and are sensitive to what you want them exposed to at a young age and place a simple option to remove the profanity and sex scenes? I mean, isn't the idea of options behind games these days? If a game designer can add a bajillion options for graphics settings, surely they can add an option in the game to remove the more 'Adult' crap. By the way, I hope that you can one day grasp that Adult content and mature themes are completely different things and what goes for Adult these days is sensationalist crap that is lazily added on for sales.

If you REALLY like the Witcher's adult content so much (profanity and tasteless sex scenes and misogyny), why don't you download the awesomely adult Leisure Suit Larry game that just came out to RAVE reviews! Or, better yet, download the Playboy Mansion game and get yo freak on!

I repent that I ever implied that Lehti was a porno-freak (sorry, 'twas just teasing), that description fits you to a 'T.'
Posted May 19, 2011
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BrianX: I wouldn't mind having certain precautions just in case I want to play an 'Adult' game.
See now that's the very problem with the games industry. We have developers scared to use sex and bad language because they want to sell their games to the widest possible audience including kids. You only have to look at the dwindling amount of mature content in Bioware's games over the year.

We have over 18 movies, we have music that's not to be sold to minors so it baffles me we can't have games that are restricted to a certain age group. The Witcher should not be censored because the novels it's based on are not. If you are offended by the content then play something else because family friendly games are a dime a dozen these days.
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BrianX: I realize this, but at least it would be gracious to offer choices, right? I mean CDProject is known to go all out for their fans, why not just add a simple option? Of course, simple isn't so simple because they would have to probably record separate voice tracks sans profanity. Still, it COULD be done. Maybe there is a MOD out there I am just missing...
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Tulivu: If you were asking for anything else this wouldn't be a problem, but profanity? I completely understand how gratuitous swearing breaks immersion but you're shit out of luck if you expect an audio patch. Too much trouble, it would go beyond gracious.

EDIT: I made a patch where I dubbed myself saying "pancake" instead of F***. Would that help? Also, I am curious how you would feel if PG games that you like (we'll use My Little Pony for example) all came with gratuitous content buttons (friggin' hilarious).
Lol, I get your point, and I would definitely apply your patch to the game. "Triss, I want to PANCAKE you."

I think you are right, I am out of luck on that and I shouldn't expect them redo all their audio just because a few fans of the RPG elements in their game complain about the stream of useless profanity used in the game. I just hope that in the future they could find a creative way to have that option, or AT LEAST have the profanity used more tastefully and not just strewn everywhere in the game. I still have a bone to pick that the bad-ass Witcher would say anything remotely to "Abso-f*cking-lutely." When I heard him say that I just slapped my forehead and sighed. That sounded like something a high-schooler would say.

Oh well. I hope in the future that designers have an option to tone down the more overt Adult stuff and at least think of ways to incorporate the stuff more strategically and tastefully. I think video-games still have a ways to go before they are really looked upon as mature and grown-up because big ol' t*****s and cursing up a storm does not make a game mature it just makes it look silly if not done right. Maybe the Witcher 2 was done better in that area?
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