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DubConqueror: Exactly what my father said when I told him about my abysmal experience: MS will get a lot of unhappy feedback from desktop users and will make a turnaround back to the good things from the Windows 7 and Windows XP times. My father is even hoping for support of XP to be continued in a fanmade style beyond 2014.
Don't worry... if your father is not a power user or a business user, he'd most likely never go to the desktop.
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Navagon: Then they'd be pretty fucking retarded then, wouldn't they? For desktops they're providing an inferior interface over a long established superior one. Next move is to scrap the superior one entirely? I just don't see them being that mentally deficient. The desktop PC market is still their bread and butter, no matter how exciting the world of tablets might seem at the moment.
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kavazovangel: Inferior?

This is most likely how it will look like: http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/24/2822891/windows-desktop-ui-concept

Office 15 is looking amazing!
What amazes you there other than its visual appeal?
The whole Windows 8 thingy looks to be designed for tablet-using people who want to use social media a lot and share all their personal info with online friends and on the web. Windows 8 even asks if you'd like to use apps that can tell where you are. No way would I want my phone or tablet if I had it, tell where I am automatically to online friends!
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kavazovangel: Inferior?

This is most likely how it will look like: http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/24/2822891/windows-desktop-ui-concept

Office 15 is looking amazing!
Fuck how it looks. I want functionality and that only looks optimal if a touch screen is your only means of input.

Right now if I want to load something up it's [windows] p [enter] and just like that in under a second Photoshop. Bam! Done. Fuck all that fucking around with Metro touchscreen optimised bollocks. I've got a keyboard and mouse, not fingerprints all over my beautiful IPS monitor.
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DubConqueror: Exactly what my father said when I told him about my abysmal experience: MS will get a lot of unhappy feedback from desktop users and will make a turnaround back to the good things from the Windows 7 and Windows XP times. My father is even hoping for support of XP to be continued in a fanmade style beyond 2014.
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kavazovangel: Don't worry... if your father is not a power user or a business user, he'd most likely never go to the desktop.
??? I don't understand what you're saying? My father, like me, hardly uses anything but the desktop. He's got a laptop, as back-up and for on holidays, but mostly it's desktop, and he's no power-user, just an ordinary pensioned schoolmaster.
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Navagon: Right now if I want to load something up it's [windows] p [enter] and just like that in under a second Photoshop. Bam! Done. Fuck all that fucking around with Metro touchscreen optimised bollocks. I've got a keyboard and mouse, not fingerprints all over my beautiful IPS monitor.
Oh, you can do that in Windows 8 and in Metro... When you're already on the Start screen, you don't even need to press any key. Just write what you want to open.

For example, as soon as Windows starts, directly type 'photoshop' and press enter.
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kavazovangel: Inferior?

This is most likely how it will look like: http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/24/2822891/windows-desktop-ui-concept
Funny, that looks like Ubuntu.
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Navagon: Right now if I want to load something up it's [windows] p [enter] and just like that in under a second Photoshop. Bam! Done. Fuck all that fucking around with Metro touchscreen optimised bollocks. I've got a keyboard and mouse, not fingerprints all over my beautiful IPS monitor.
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kavazovangel: Oh, you can do that in Windows 8 and in Metro... When you're already on the Start screen, you don't even need to press any key. Just write what you want to open.

For example, as soon as Windows starts, directly type 'photoshop' and press enter.
and thats an improvement how?

i barely use the start menu, and open 90% of the stuff from my desktop
Post edited February 29, 2012 by lugum
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kavazovangel: Oh, you can do that in Windows 8 and in Metro... When you're already on the Start screen, you don't even need to press any key. Just write what you want to open.

For example, as soon as Windows starts, directly type 'photoshop' and press enter.
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lugum: and thats an improvement how?
I don't know. Gnome Shell did something similar and I hate it.
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lugum: and thats an improvement how?
One less button to press. :p Plus, searching for applications to start now also searches for media files and documents in folders you're indexing.

EDIT: Oh, the searching for media files and documents is already present in Windows 7, didn't know that! :/
Post edited February 29, 2012 by kavazovangel
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lugum: and thats an improvement how?
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kavazovangel: One less button to press. :p Plus, searching for applications to start now also searches for media files and documents in folders you're indexing.
typing in photoshop (9 keys) or click one button from your start menu or on your desktop.
thats less? or am i missing something.
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lugum: typing in photoshop (9 keys) or click one button from your start menu or on your desktop.
thats less? or am i missing something.
If you put it that way, just pin the damn application on the Start screen.
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kavazovangel: Oh, you can do that in Windows 8 and in Metro... When you're already on the Start screen, you don't even need to press any key. Just write what you want to open.

For example, as soon as Windows starts, directly type 'photoshop' and press enter.
Can you at least make it so that the proper desktop is the default. The very idea that I'd have to press a key to get Windows to look like it should do just leave me knowing that this thing does not stand a chance with me.
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Navagon: Can you at least make it so that the proper desktop is the default. The very idea that I'd have to press a key to get Windows to look like it should do just leave me knowing that this thing does not stand a chance with me.
Dunno. Still downloading the ISO file, my damn internet is sooooo slow. :(
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kavazovangel: It is a desktop OS, tablet OS, and very soon, it will be an OS for smartphones.
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cjrgreen: Oh, like Windows CE was supposed to be? That was like using a tree trunk for a pool cue.

So far, it is a desktop OS that makes enough of a pretense of being something else to confuse customers and drive superior competitors from the market.

I doubt it will ever be anything else.
Completely agree.

I will check it out, only to see if there are any big curves I need to consider when I end up supporting this beast, but I don't expect much.

When I did the same with Win7, I saw a polished Vista in regards to compatibility, but otherwise should have been an olive branch to the consumer that purchased Vista by being a well intentioned service pack and not an overpriced standalone os.

The same internal logic failures that I first wrestled with in Vista, are still in Win7, particularly in the networking and media player areas. Simple things that should never be able to happen, do, such as being connected to the wan, and having 2 different Windows os utilities report that you both are and aren't at the same time or with command line utilities having no problem identifying a dhcp server, but the os filling up useless logs saying none exists when clearly the ipv4 internal addr exists as a 192 on the same subnet and gateway serving in the role.

The famous 'stuck in public profile' haunts 7 as it did in Vista (and server 2008), and that damned 'certutil -urlcache * delete' command still being needed to get rid of overzealous log filling that M$ says to just ignore. It seems to get sloppier and sloppier as time goes by, with services left running after needed, garbage files left behind, and an overall lack of respect for tight code, housekeeping, and ultimately the resources that the consumer pays to have. Dumb share organization and lack of differentiation is another thing you'd best address yourself, as their window dressing offerings aren't too wonderful.

Not trying to knock them, just seems like they take 2 steps in the wrong direction, for every one they take in the right direction, and I'm tired of playing hide and go seek in the damned registry just to avoid their great productivity wasting suggestion of reloading the os and all programs every time the os decides to become schizophrenic. In the dos days, no problem as everything was manageable without an act of congress (also seldom if ever needed) but these damned albatrosses are like raising Ramses from his grave.

Oh well, that's business, and hope it works out for those who go with it. I'm expecting another 'Madison avenue beauty,' all looks and no substance.