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Posted May 02, 2012
Okay...*breathes in*

WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUCK?!

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17924190

THIS ISN'T EVEN NORMAL
Posted May 02, 2012
It's already on here

http://www.gog.com/en/forum/general/xbox_360_and_windows_7_to_be_removed_from_german_market_due_to_german_court_rulings/post22

Basic break down of the actual case in the link above
Posted May 02, 2012
Sweet. Some actual repercussions for a change :)
Posted May 02, 2012
The German case is also likely to be considered by the European Commission.

It is carrying out two probes into whether Motorola's Frand-type patent activities amount to "an abuse of a dominant market position".
Gee, now why does that sound familiar? Heh.
Post edited May 02, 2012 by mistermumbles
Posted May 02, 2012
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mistermumbles: [I]The German case is also likely to be considered by the European Commission.

It is carrying out two probes into whether Motorola's Frand-type patent activities amount to "an abuse of a dominant market position".[/I]

Gee, now why does that sound familiar? Heh.
Uuuuh... Now that does get me wet.
Article 102 TFEU is my passion.
Posted May 02, 2012
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Pheace: Sweet. Some actual repercussions for a change :)
Except there aren't any unless you class Moto trying to extort money a repercussion... Motorola has already been told they can't file the injunction because if they do they will be charged with contempt in the US and the fine will be equal to any lost sales by MS
Posted May 02, 2012
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Pheace: Sweet. Some actual repercussions for a change :)
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wodmarach: Except there aren't any unless you class Moto trying to extort money a repercussion... Motorola has already been told they can't file the injunction because if they do they will be charged with contempt in the US and the fine will be equal to any lost sales by MS
Yeah just noticed it can't be enforced yet till the US case is dealt with.

So... if MS wins the US court case, they won't have to pay the licensing fees etc, but they'll get their products banned in Germany since Motorola won a court case there ...

but if MS loses in the US, they have to pay the licensing fees etc... however that automatically means their sales are 'legit' and Motorola can't enforce a ban on their products in germany?
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Posted May 02, 2012
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Tantrix: WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUCK?!
... Is what usually springs up in my mind when I hear the combination of words "Germany" and "banned".
Posted May 02, 2012
Can we please consolidate in the first thread about this subject? It's annoying having to follow two threads about the same thing.
Posted May 02, 2012
I'm confused. Exactly what kind of intellectual property have MS been infringing, and how?
Posted May 02, 2012
At least Germany seem to help their companies a little bit. Here in Sweden we gladly sell every company and as much of our governments tasks to the highest foreign bidder as we can.
Posted May 02, 2012
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stonebro: I'm confused. Exactly what kind of intellectual property have MS been infringing, and how?
Article says Video codecs (ie the software that lets them render the videos to show on the screen). The software they are based on is licences and the claim is that Microsoft hasn't paid the licence and yet has provided the feature.

The specifics beyond that are likely more technical and this court case could be the result of a breakdown of agreements between the companies.

On a sane level I suspect we'll see one of a few resolutions:

1) Microsoft will give in and pay the amount. Might be unlikely considering the numbers flying around as they won't want to drive their product prices up.

2) Microsoft and Minorota come to an out of court settlement.

3) Microsoft removes the video codecs (quickest and fast solution to the problem). Downside here is that if those video codecs are widely used it thus invalidates a lot of user and software info. Microsoft could then revert to choice 1 or they could pass the price onto the consumer to pay for their own usage licence.

4) Courts in the US find that the costs for Microsoft to pay are considered too high via the laws on market position and dominance - - might mean voiding the fees or payment of reduced fees

5) anything else is possible .
Posted May 02, 2012
So, do most Europeans spend half their time studying law? :-P
Posted May 02, 2012
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Tarm: At least Germany seem to help their companies a little bit. Here in Sweden we gladly sell every company and as much of our governments tasks to the highest foreign bidder as we can.
Read the other thread.

Oh, and this NOT helping companies or the people working in them. This just left a lot of people unemployed. Microsoft will be moving their base of operations in Europe to The Netherlands.
Posted May 02, 2012
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tfishell: So, do most Europeans spend half their time studying law? :-P
The only thing on the telly worth watching these days is crime dramas (and most of them are old re-runs of the classics ;) )
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