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Aliasalpha: Sorceror? All that messing about remembering spells, having to be charismatic and the like? Bah give me a Warlock any day, pure power whenever the hell I want with the ability to wear armour and beat the snot out of people manually if I want

Not so much remembering, more raw power!
It's wizards that need to memorize spells.
Also, being charismatic is good, because you can bring an army of meat shields with you to every battle!
Yeah but you still have to find and learn the spells, warlocks are all about pure unfettered power. Also my one's armour made her look hot
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Andy_Panthro: It's wizards that need to memorize spells.

s/wizards/mages/
"Wizards" is the group name for all arcane magic users, isn't it?
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Aliasalpha: Yeah but you still have to find and learn the spells, warlocks are all about pure unfettered power. Also my one's armour made her look hot
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Andy_Panthro: It's wizards that need to memorize spells.
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Miaghstir: s/wizards/mages/
"Wizards" is the group name for all arcane magic users, isn't it?

I'm referring to D&D here, where things get endlessly complicated, often for no good reason... so a "wizard" and a "sorceror" are two different arcane magic using classes...
Oh and Aliasalpha, sorcerors acquire spells as they level, they don't need to find any.
thankfully people write articles on wikipedia about such things.
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizard_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)]D&D Wizard[/url]
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorcerer_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)]D&D Sorceror[/url]
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Andy_Panthro: ...

You should just be a sourcerer instead. :)
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Andy_Panthro: ...
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ceemdee: You should just be a sourcerer instead. :)

unfortunately, I'm not the eighth son of an eighth son of an eighth son!
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Miaghstir: s/wizards/mages/
"Wizards" is the group name for all arcane magic users, isn't it?
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Andy_Panthro: I'm referring to D&D here, where things get endlessly complicated, often for no good reason... so a "wizard" and a "sorceror" are two different arcane magic using classes...
Oh and Aliasalpha, sorcerors acquire spells as they level, they don't need to find any.
thankfully people write articles on wikipedia about such things.
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizard_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)]D&D Wizard[/url]
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorcerer_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)]D&D Sorceror[/url]

So am I, although we're probably referring to different editions. My knowledge of AD&D comes mainly from the Baldur's Gate games, although they're not entirely accurate at times.
Post edited September 22, 2009 by Miaghstir
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Miaghstir: So am I, although we're probably referring to different editions. My knowledge of AD&D comes mainly from the Baldur's Gate games, although they're not entirely accurate at times.

My knowledge is from the games aswell, although I've played through BG1+2, NWN1+2 and bits and pieces of some older games. (BG was 2nd edition perhaps? NWN was 3rd edition, and NWN2 I think may have been 3.5)
Sorcerors were introduced in BG2 (for the games), but are playable using Baldur's Gate Trilogy or a similar mod for the first game (along with all other special classes).
Unfortunately, they changed a few things for NWN, then changed even more for NWN2. I don't mind the new system, but the old one did have it's advantages, as well as being closer to the pen and paper equivalents.
I worry for the future of D&D based games though, P&P based games aren't "cool", too complicated perhaps, would require you to read the manual or some such... imagine such horrors...
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Miaghstir: So am I, although we're probably referring to different editions. My knowledge of AD&D comes mainly from the Baldur's Gate games, although they're not entirely accurate at times.
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Andy_Panthro: My knowledge is from the games aswell, although I've played through BG1+2, NWN1+2 and bits and pieces of some older games. (BG was 2nd edition perhaps? NWN was 3rd edition, and NWN2 I think may have been 3.5)
Sorcerors were introduced in BG2 (for the games), but are playable using Baldur's Gate Trilogy or a similar mod for the first game (along with all other special classes).
Unfortunately, they changed a few things for NWN, then changed even more for NWN2. I don't mind the new system, but the old one did have it's advantages, as well as being closer to the pen and paper equivalents.
I worry for the future of D&D based games though, P&P based games aren't "cool", too complicated perhaps, would require you to read the manual or some such... imagine such horrors...

BG, BG2, IWD, PS:T = AD&D (= D&D 2E if I'm not gravely mistaken)
IWD2, NWN = D&D 3E
IWD2 = 3.5E
... if my sources and memory are correct.
I just checked in the BG2 datafiles, and there are very few references to wizards, only the "wizard slayer" kit, it seems I remembered wrong about item descriptions as the relevant ones all say "only usable by mages", meaning any arcane magic user (including sorcerers, and I also think bards), but also the class that needs to memorize spells is simply called a "mage".
And yes, from what I've heard 4E became very simplified, partly because it should be easier to implement in computer games.
On the other hand, I'm not that much into D&D, but instead mostly work with a Swedish RPG system called Eon (which has complicated rules for just about everything, I'd say it's a dream for anyone wanting to use a day or two just for creating their character - part of why I'm trying to create a character generator for it).
Post edited September 22, 2009 by Miaghstir
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Aliasalpha: If we're talking about game characters and the like, I'm torn between Darth Revan because he gets to snog Bastilla

well... great. now you carry the weight of whole galaxy on your shoulder. will never have peace because millions want you dead, and billions want you to serve them. awesome.
and The Nameless One because he gets to snog Fall From Grace.

sure. have fun spending the eternity in place which is practically hell. and you will be ugly :)
any person from any fiction?
Lex Luthor. Rich, genius, powerful, sexy... but i wouldn't hate superman but work with him.
life would be awesome :)
Herbert. I want my very own tree in my head!
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sk8ing667: Herbert. I want my very own tree in my head!

This Herbert?
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Aliasalpha: If we're talking about game characters and the like, I'm torn between Darth Revan because he gets to snog Bastilla

well... great. now you carry the weight of whole galaxy on your shoulder. will never have peace because millions want you dead, and billions want you to serve them. awesome.
and The Nameless One because he gets to snog Fall From Grace.
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lukaszthegreat: sure. have fun spending the eternity in place which is practically hell. and you will be ugly :)

Err dude, I live in WAGGA which is pretty damned hellish and looking like TNO would probably be a step up for me
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Aliasalpha: Err dude, I live in WAGGA which is pretty damned hellish and looking like TNO would probably be a step up for me

what are you doing there?? i have been to newcastle and wollogong which are bigger than wagga wagga aren't they....
and they were frigging hole in universe.
i would kill myself
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Aliasalpha: Err dude, I live in WAGGA which is pretty damned hellish and looking like TNO would probably be a step up for me
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lukaszthegreat: what are you doing there?? i have been to newcastle and wollogong which are bigger than wagga wagga aren't they....
and they were frigging hole in universe.
i would kill myself

Wolframalpha says Newcastle has almost 10 times the population of Wagga Wagga, and Wollongong about half of Newcastle.
On a similar note, my home town has about 1.5 times the population of Wagga.
Post edited September 23, 2009 by Miaghstir