rampancy: So does this mean that you have to log into Rockstar Social Club even if all you do is play single player? What if you want to play the game offline? Don't tell me you'll have to go through each layer to set an (potentially unreliable?) offline mode...

SimonG: It is still in LA Noire and a complete PITA. Getting the game to run takes ages due to their shitty auto-updater. Rockstar can't do shit when it comes to programming for the PC. Why on earth did they think they can pull their own little Steam off. Let's just hope GTA V will be a Steamworks game.

Wishbone: Let's hope it won't. Steamworks means Steam-only, while not using Steamworks does not prevent the game from being on Steam anyway.

SimonG: If they don't use Steamworks than they use either their in house skills (Rockstar social club) or go to MS for the netcode (GFWL). I don't mind GFWL, but the Social Club is utterly broken. Steamworks doesn't cost them anything and works beautiful.

Wishbone: Which netcode is this exactly? I thought GTA was a singleplayer game?

Wishbone: Which netcode is this exactly? I thought GTA was a singleplayer game?

Luisfius: Dark Souls's multiplayer aspects, which can be pretty subtle are rather important to the experience. The PC and 360 version utilize Microsoft's infrastructure, while the PS3 version does not. The ps3 version has problems.

Summoning and getting invaded, miracle syniergies, ghosts, blood stains. Id say those aspects are important to dark soulsss

Azrael360: I'm OK with Steam (when is just that), but when PC games bring more DRM with the package (Tages, SecuROM, Starforce...) that's when I wait months, or more, and then I just buy the game I wanted cheaper for my Xbox 360. I did that with GTA IV, Red Dead Redemption, Assassin's Creed II, AC:B, and many more... I just insert the disc, install into HDD, and play. Done.

Forcing you to log into accounts you don't need (GFWL, Rockstar, UPlay...), use of unnecesary clients, limited installations, plus some nasty DRM in your PC, that's way too much for me, when Steam should be enough. I prefer to support DRM-Free games instead of buying games with that kind of DRM.

That's my philosophy: I don't buy games that have that kind of DRM, or more than one. And so far, I own a nice collection of games, and still have some great games yet to play in my collection.

Phaidox: Nonsense. My superior retail copy of Arkham City has one DRM layer less (no Steam to speak of).

MichiGen: My copy from UK didn't require to activate it on STEAM (although I activated it) and you can play it with offline account on GFWL. But I'm playing it with my online account, since multiplayer is the integral part of Dark Souls.

StingingVelvet: Why is it so integral? Honest question. This came up in another thread and I will absolutely not play this online, so I am curious what the repercussions of that are.