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zolansilverspear: The topic as a whole is mute from several points. ...
Very good post. +1
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TStael: And why as an Australian might you state so? Because you are jealous of the European belonging to a greater whole, or..? ... maybe you dislike Turkey?
This post is one amazing mega fail. <.<
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tinyE: What seems to be the overall feeling in Constantinople?
I don't know but I know that Turkey is quite polarized and torn between different poles. You can guess that this makes life more exciting.
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tinyE: What seems to be the overall feeling in Constantinople?
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Trilarion: I don't know but I know that Turkey is quite polarized and torn between different poles. You can guess that this makes life more exciting.
I was trying to start a song there actually. :P
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timppu: It starts from small things, e.g. many regulations coming from EU are suitable mostly for southern and middle Europe, not necessarily e.g. to north Europe. For instance, there was some pretty recent EU regulation concerning the stud-less winter tires which is maybe more useful to southern parts of Europe with wet winters, but unsuitable to e.g. colder Finnish winters.
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lukaszthegreat: can you give more info about that?
EU regulations have to be put into national laws. E.g. in Germany, the states are responsible for laws affecting cable railways, and even states without cable railways had to create regulations how to run a cable railway.

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timppu: It just gives the impression that the big EU countries (Germany, France, Spain, Italy etc.) tend to forget there's life outside their turf as well. Maybe things like these should not be regulated EU wide?
No idea how this relates to 'big' EU countries.

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Trilarion: Here many people would probably not object to (...) a united foreign policy (could have helped with Crimea maybe), or a common climate policy (see CO2 emission trading)
The countries don't succeed in commonly recognizing declarations of independence and have different interests. For climate change actions, the will to do something lacks mostly outside of Europe.
I am all for it, but they're just not ready now (although yeah, you could argue this as well for Hungary with Orban, but Turkey is still on another level, in my opinion).

And the EU countries aren't ready either, especially not ready to have another country with so many people have influence on policies.
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Reever: I am all for it, but they're just not ready now... And the EU countries aren't ready either...
I agree but I fear it might get misunderstood. Parts of Turkey and parts of the other countries in Europe are already now more than ready for this - only not enough. But there is clearly hope for such a move.
Post edited May 27, 2014 by Trilarion
Does Turkey want 50%+ inflation and some industries killed like sugar production and commercial fishing because of EU regulations.
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TStael: Why would you have or not have Turkey in the European Union?
As I said, all the arguments about it are ridiculous. The EU is just a economico-political club of countries, which can negociate inclusions based on anything. But, tragically enough, and deeply stupidly, this is completely biased by the "europe" symbolism, as if there was some pre-existing collective identity that this union should match. And arguments are being exchanged, based on this. "Oh turkey is too far east", "oh there are muslims and europe is christrian", "oh our culture stops at that line over there and on the other side it's clearly another culture"... This is just childish, illiterate, symbolic bullshit, but it weights more than anything else because Europe.

In other words, the discussion is polluted by moronic arguments trying to determine whether Turkey is "already" in Europe or "already" european. This has absolutely no meaning at all. Turkey neither is nor isn't European. You people decide where the arbitrary frontier of your idiotic notion is drawn. It is not a pre-existing thing to discover. It means nothing, there ! What, you discovered that "europe has no muslim country ?", well if europe includes Turkey then it has and it becomes "Europe has muslim country", and that's it. "But it is not in Europe". Where is it then, Asia ? Where does Asia start, and why ? You have a geophysical tectonic line that follows country borders ? It's been measured between Greece and Turkey ? What about the Greek islands on the Turkey coast, they are asian or european ? "But we don't want Turkey for economical reasons". Okay, suit yourselves, it's your club, but DO NOT CALL THIS "EUROPE", or at least do not SEE it as an "europe" idea ! This whole symbolic pseudo-cultural historical mystical bullshit is entirely irrelevant.

Is Switzerland a "european country" or is it not a "european country" ? AAAAAAH MINDBLOW.
Post edited May 27, 2014 by Telika
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lettmon: Does Turkey want 50%+ inflation and some industries killed like sugar production and commercial fishing because of EU regulations.
I cannot follow here. Without EU regulations the oceans aren't endless and full of fish either. Also the inflation was never so low as nowadays.
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Trilarion: I cannot follow here. Without EU regulations the oceans aren't endless and full of fish either. Also the inflation was never so low as nowadays.
When Latvia joined EU in 2005, shortly after that we had big huge enormous inflation. I was lucky to finish college right before that. For example, a public transport ticket cost 20 cents before joining EU and 60 cents after joining EU. That's 200% or 300% inflation? Sorry it's been a while since school. Beer went from 50 cent to 100 cent on average. Chocolate went from 100 cent to 150 cent. I won't even start on bills, gas etc.
EU killed our sugar and partly commercial fishing industries. Many people lost their jobs obviously. And our farmers receive only a fraction of the subsidies that the farmers of the 'good' EU countries receive still after we've been in this union for a decade. Do you follow me now.
I would imagine that people don't want Turkey in the EU for a number of reasons (not mine btw).

Human Rights
The Economy of Turkey plus its population size would seriously imbalance the EU financially, especially in it's current precarious situation.
Cyprus vis a vis Greece (already a member) could be a source of contention.
Is Turkey really a part of Europe or a part of Asia?

EDIT : Just offering a reply to the OP's question ( it would be "laughable" for Turkey to be considered for "Europe), not interested in getting into a "debate" on it.
Post edited May 27, 2014 by F1ach
When I lived in the area (Batumi, Turkish border) I was told the main hangup was the Cyrus thing.

Either way, seems like the EU has enough problems at the moment.
I did some extensive work on the subject 10 years ago.
The main reasons why it is problematic :
- Turkey is more populated than any european country, in a decisional perspective it would make them a big player.
- Greece and turkey have issues.
- Military "state in the state". Kemal legacy.

The good reasons why they should join :
- They are not Christian. As much as I don't care about religions, being a club of Christian countries is really a diplomatic weakness.
- They are a symbolic "next step" (geography, culture and religion). When the whole world would have join the EU, maybe we'll stop killing each-others and at last start building spaceships. Earth is definitely going south.
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StingingVelvet: When I lived in the area (Batumi, Turkish border) I was told the main hangup was the Cyrus thing.
Think you mean the "Cyprus" thing, Cyrus was a character from Con Air. It's an easy mistake to make :).
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Telika: <snip>
So you would allow Australia to join the European Union if they wanted?
Post edited May 27, 2014 by wpegg