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Oh yeah, just to confirm -- the game is awesome and well worth $20.
I hadn't heard of this at all, but it looks damn good! Did they indeed manage to make the randomly generated levels interesting?
If this shows up on Impulse I'll buy it, I think.
EDIT: well, about Impulse: http://forums.runicgames.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1343
That's a pity.. which one of the other options would be best? GG, perfectworld or directly from Runic?
Post edited October 29, 2009 by LordCinnamon
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LordCinnamon: I hadn't heard of this at all, but it looks damn good! Did they indeed manage to make the randomly generated levels interesting?
If this shows up on Impulse I'll buy it, I think.
EDIT: well, about Impulse: http://forums.runicgames.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1343
That's a pity.. which one of the other options would be best? GG, perfectworld or directly from Runic?

Steam. I know that it isn't the best choice but I've heard the GG version is wrapped with Securom (don't quote me), Perfect World probably has limited activations and I know the one from Runic does.
The kicker is that Runic knew it would be pirated and they still put a limited activation DRM on the game. Who then are they seeking to restrict; the honest user that purchased that game, that is who.
Just seems so ridiculous the company that users perceives, loves them has only restricted them with their DRM.
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Faithful: The kicker is that Runic knew it would be pirated and they still put a limited activation DRM on the game. Who then are they seeking to restrict; the honest user that purchased that game, that is who.
Just seems so ridiculous the company that users perceives, loves them has only restricted them with their DRM.

Broken record. You've got an anti-DRM fetish, we get it. Maybe we can actually talk about the game in the rest of this thread, though. Crazy concept, I know.
And just to make sure I wasn't speaking out of turn... I used my inordinate amount of free time to look back over this thread. Of the dozen or so posts you made not a single one (other than a throw-away line that the game looks great) discusses the game itself... just another lash on the already dead horse about how it has DRM.
Take some advice, bite the bullet and get over the irrational phobia -- it's a $20 game that is a lot of fun to play. In five or ten years if the Steam servers die and I no longer have access to the game I won't for one second regret the money I spent on it.
Post edited October 29, 2009 by Metro09
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Faithful: The kicker is that Runic knew it would be pirated and they still put a limited activation DRM on the game. Who then are they seeking to restrict; the honest user that purchased that game, that is who.
Just seems so ridiculous the company that users perceives, loves them has only restricted them with their DRM.
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Metro09: Broken record. You've got an anti-DRM fetish, we get it. Maybe we can actually talk about the game in the rest of this thread, though. Crazy concept, I know.

Ooh, that's a crazy idea... but it JUST MIGHT WORK...
What level are you right now? Got any cool loot?
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michaelleung: What level are you right now? Got any cool loot?

I'm taking it pretty slow since I'm also playing Borderlands and routinely play TF2. Started with an Alchemist and got to level 12 -- going the 'pet/minion' route as I did indeed find some interesting loot: a unique/set glove that boosts pet/minion damage by 25% along with some other assorted buffs. At times it's a bit dull as I just summon a horde of pets and sit back and watch.
Screenshot: http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/7815/torchlightb.jpg
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I also take a lot of breaks from the main quest line to do the 'bonus' dungeons you can buy from the vendor and that guy near the bottom of the village that ports you places, too.
Post edited October 29, 2009 by Metro09
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DarrkPhoenix: Protip: if ever you find yourself arguing that any kind of DRM prevents piracy...

Protip?!?! LOFL, thanks, now I know to ignore you.
My argument does not rest on whether or not DRM's prevent piracy, it rests on the fact that publishers will not release profitable games WITHOUT DRM, which leads to my conclusion that Goo is the least instrusive option for both publishers and consumers.
I have several published articles to my name about DRM and internet privacy/ownership rights, trust me, I am about as anti-DRM as anyone who isn't just an ararchist piracy advocate.
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DarrkPhoenix: Protip: if ever you find yourself arguing that any kind of DRM prevents piracy...
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anjohl: Protip?!?! LOFL, thanks, now I know to ignore you.
My argument does not rest on whether or not DRM's prevent piracy, it rests on the fact that publishers will not release profitable games WITHOUT DRM, which leads to my conclusion that Goo is the least instrusive option for both publishers and consumers.
I have several published articles to my name about DRM and internet privacy/ownership rights, trust me, I am about as anti-DRM as anyone who isn't just an ararchist piracy advocate.

Can I read those articles? Where can I find them?
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michaelleung: Can I read those articles? Where can I find them?

Dig around CBC.ca.
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anjohl: Protip?!?! LOFL, thanks, now I know to ignore you.

Suit yourself. Although generally this kind of statement carries more weight if you don't then go on to immediately respond further to the person you just said you were going to ignore.
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anjohl: My argument does not rest on whether or not DRM's prevent piracy, it rests on the fact that publishers will not release profitable games WITHOUT DRM, which leads to my conclusion that Goo is the least instrusive option for both publishers and consumers.

Which is to say that with regards to publishers GOO is snake oil, just like pretty much every other DRM system. As for intrusiveness, different people have different concerns and find different things intrusive. Thus saying "this DRM system is the least intrusive out there" is a pretty meaningless statement, as it only says how you personally feel about the DRM system, which frankly is something I'm guessing not many people care about (same goes for how I personally feel about various DRM systems). What is of use is a clear explanation of just what a DRM system actually does, and if you feel it's fundamentally different from other DRM systems an explanation of just how it is different. From there everyone else is free to decide for themselves just how intrusive they consider that DRM system, and just what effect, if any, it will have on their purchasing decisions.
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anjohl: I have several published articles to my name about DRM and internet privacy/ownership rights, trust me, I am about as anti-DRM as anyone who isn't just an ararchist piracy advocate.

Good for you... I guess. Although this discussion wasn't really about being anti-DRM, it was simply about trying to understand what a specific DRM system does, and since the claim was being made that the DRM system was fundamentally different from the other systems out there, just how it was different in light of what it does. Although since it seems that particular line of discussion has run its course and is now simply poised to degenerate into petty bickering, it's probably best to stop derailing this discussion and let it get back to being about Torchlight.
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Faithful: The kicker is that Runic knew it would be pirated and they still put a limited activation DRM on the game. Who then are they seeking to restrict; the honest user that purchased that game, that is who.
Just seems so ridiculous the company that users perceives, loves them has only restricted them with their DRM.
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Metro09: Broken record. You've got an anti-DRM fetish, we get it. Maybe we can actually talk about the game in the rest of this thread, though. Crazy concept, I know.
And just to make sure I wasn't speaking out of turn... I used my inordinate amount of free time to look back over this thread. Of the dozen or so posts you made not a single one (other than a throw-away line that the game looks great) discusses the game itself... just another lash on the already dead horse about how it has DRM.
Take some advice, bite the bullet and get over the irrational phobia -- it's a $20 game that is a lot of fun to play. In five or ten years if the Steam servers die and I no longer have access to the game I won't for one second regret the money I spent on it.

*Yawn. Take your own advice and bite the bullet and realize this is a public forum which happens to be on a site that is completely DRM FREE.
I would not care if the game were free, I still would not install it with Securom and limited activations.
We each have a choice to make. You have no trouble with being beholden to others to play your games; I want to be able to install and play them anytime I want without any DRM. That's a broken record I will continue to play.
Post edited October 29, 2009 by Faithful
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Metro09: Broken record. You've got an anti-DRM fetish, we get it. Maybe we can actually talk about the game in the rest of this thread, though. Crazy concept, I know.
And just to make sure I wasn't speaking out of turn... I used my inordinate amount of free time to look back over this thread. Of the dozen or so posts you made not a single one (other than a throw-away line that the game looks great) discusses the game itself... just another lash on the already dead horse about how it has DRM.
Take some advice, bite the bullet and get over the irrational phobia -- it's a $20 game that is a lot of fun to play. In five or ten years if the Steam servers die and I no longer have access to the game I won't for one second regret the money I spent on it.
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Faithful: *Yawn. Take your own advice and bite the bullet and realize it is a public forum which happens to be on a site that is completely DRM FREE. I would not care of the game were free, I still would not install it with Securom and limited activations.
We each have a choice to make you have no trouble with being beholden to others to play your games; I want to be able to install and play them anytime I want without any DRM. That a broken record I will continue to play.

Then don't install the game and move on? I'm anti-DRM for a lot of things but your blowing this way out of proportion. If you don't want the game because it is infested with limited install then don't buy it and move on instead of posting in the thread to try and turn others off with what should be a simple warning for those who care.
I can understand you are zealous about this but can we PLEASE drop the DRM discussion unless it matters to the thread, and not your anti-drm beliefs, which was nicely derailed?
On that note, the game is amazing. Best ARPG since Diablo II without a doubt in my mind.
Post edited October 29, 2009 by Whiteblade999
I find it really rather sad that this thread, which is meant to be about a really kick-ass game has degraded into yet another endless DRM bitch.
*sigh*
Post edited October 29, 2009 by bansama
I think DRM haters are worse than DRM.