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Fred_DM: ...
Your point automatically becomes invalid, the moment you mention Ubisoft and RPS in the same sentence.
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kavazovangel: Your point automatically becomes invalid, the moment you mention Ubisoft and RPS in the same sentence.
While RPS does indeed have several bias issues, and that particular article is more sensationalistic than it really needs to be, a lot of Ubisoft's DRM hate is well-deserved. Stuff like server maintenance and outages and bandwidth flooding are basic issues that were either not addressed or were never considered. So it doesn't automatically invalidate it, but you should keep some salt handy.
You know what is disgusting about THQ's strategy, IMO? DLCs.

I'm tired of going into every THQ title and have 3, 10, 15 DLCs. Seriously, keep that for the vanilla game, don't try to be a smartass in cutting a game in multiple parts.

1 or 2 expansions? that's fine, but not 15 DLCs.

Another company who does this is 2K.

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anjohl: Good time to buy stock.
Are you sure? THQ is being delisted from NASDAQ.

Rumors of the Warhammer MMO cancellation, layoffs every week, etc

One thing that could save them is Homeworld 3, but they are too busy making DLCs.
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Aningan: Bad decisions have repercussions. Good! It's how it's supposed to be.
I'm sick and tired of these greedy bastards taking one bad decision after another, and most of them being anti-consumer, and still be able to come of top. And I'm not referring just to THQ here.
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Fred_DM: the repercussions should be limited to the decision makers, though. what usually happens is that the entire company suffers, and that sucks.
Until the US and other capitalist countries agree to some real social safety nets and some basic human dignity that's going to be a no-go.
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taczillabr: You know what is disgusting about THQ's strategy, IMO? DLCs.

I'm tired of going into every THQ title and have 3, 10, 15 DLCs. Seriously, keep that for the vanilla game, don't try to be a smartass in cutting a game in multiple parts.

1 or 2 expansions? that's fine, but not 15 DLCs.

Another company who does this is 2K.

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anjohl: Good time to buy stock.
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taczillabr: Are you sure? THQ is being delisted from NASDAQ.

Rumors of the Warhammer MMO cancellation, layoffs every week, etc

One thing that could save them is Homeworld 3, but they are too busy making DLCs.
Optional cosmetic DLC that don't affect game play at all. What MONSTERS!
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Crassmaster: Optional cosmetic DLC that don't affect game play at all. What MONSTERS!
Greed is still greed, isn't it? Ask the THQ suits, ask the automotive industry's suits, etc.

Monsters? seriously, I'm not (low to say it) like that. If something or a company practice disgusts me I just won't buy such products, not call them monsters.

I bet the DLC subject alone was discussed in multiple threads here, I don't want to derail. Just mentioned my opinion as one of the things that may, may be wrong in THQ.
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Crassmaster: Optional cosmetic DLC that don't affect game play at all. What MONSTERS!
Wait, the 20+ DLCs for Dawn of War 2 are optional and only cosmetic?
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Crassmaster: Optional cosmetic DLC that don't affect game play at all. What MONSTERS!
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taczillabr: Greed is still greed, isn't it? Ask the THQ suits, ask the automotive industry's suits, etc.

Monsters? seriously, I'm not (low to say it) like that. If something or a company practice disgusts me I just won't buy such products, not call them monsters.

I bet the DLC subject alone was discussed in multiple threads here, I don't want to derail. Just mentioned my opinion as one of the things that may, may be wrong in THQ.
Who cares? It's entirely optional. Want it...get it. Don't want it...you aren't affected in any meaningful way. I hardly see how that's a DLC policy to complain about.

I am also very doubtful that it has anything to do with their current situation, as opposed to bad licensing deals, the uDraw, and consistently backing the wrong horse in terms of marketing pushes.
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Crassmaster: Optional cosmetic DLC that don't affect game play at all. What MONSTERS!
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orcishgamer: Wait, the 20+ DLCs for Dawn of War 2 are optional and only cosmetic?
Yep. Most of it is cosmetic armor for the various Imperial and Chaos legions. I bought some of it, but that's because I'm a 40K nerd. :)
Post edited February 02, 2012 by Crassmaster
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Crassmaster: Yep. Most of it is cosmetic armor for the various Imperial and Chaos legions. I bought some of it, but that's because I'm a 40K nerd. :)
Wait, "most" or "all", that's a big difference with regards to your original claim? I mean, it's good that it's not as bad as I thought because I looked at it at one point and almost crapped my pants thinking how ridiculous it was, so I'm actually kind of happy to hear that. Still, it feels kind of weird seeing 20+ DLCs, I wonder if that turned off some people from buying because they thought they'd be "missing" too much of the content.
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Crassmaster: Yep. Most of it is cosmetic armor for the various Imperial and Chaos legions. I bought some of it, but that's because I'm a 40K nerd. :)
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orcishgamer: Wait, "most" or "all", that's a big difference with regards to your original claim? I mean, it's good that it's not as bad as I thought because I looked at it at one point and almost crapped my pants thinking how ridiculous it was, so I'm actually kind of happy to hear that. Still, it feels kind of weird seeing 20+ DLCs, I wonder if that turned off some people from buying because they thought they'd be "missing" too much of the content.
The only stuff that isn't Chapter packs are war gear/cosmetic packages for Last Stand mode. And...yep, that's it.
I've seem to really missed something here with THQ, huh?
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SimonG: And I don't really get this "bad Ubi drm" talk. Well, they were a bit two early with their "always online DRM" (and so was Steam with their "online activation" 10 years ago). But that is neither required anymore and not an issue for me, as I'm always online anyway.
well you are, but not the servers (which will be moved these days - and they didnt announce how long you cant play your games (many of them singelplayer)
er, the Wargear DLC packs for DoW2 Retribution aren't cosmetic. they are functional items you can equip your Last Stand or Campaign heroes with. particularly early on they can make a difference.

i don't get what the issue is supposed to be with the DLC. yes, there is a lot of it but all of it is optional, and some of it is purely cosmetic. and when you can get the stuff bundled and at 66-75% off during promos and sales, the purchase becomes a no-brainer, IMO.
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Fred_DM: er, the Wargear DLC packs for DoW2 Retribution aren't cosmetic. they are functional items you can equip your Last Stand or Campaign heroes with. particularly early on they can make a difference.

i don't get what the issue is supposed to be with the DLC. yes, there is a lot of it but all of it is optional, and some of it is purely cosmetic. and when you can get the stuff bundled and at 66-75% off during promos and sales, the purchase becomes a no-brainer, IMO.
But you don't need any of it to actually play and enjoy the game. You don't NEED your Space Marines to be Imperial Fists or your Chaos war band to be Word Bearers to enjoy the game. That was my point.

I do agree with you on not getting what is wrong with DLC though. The mindset some gamers have of essentially 'DLC=eval' is ridiculous.
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Fred_DM: er, the Wargear DLC packs for DoW2 Retribution aren't cosmetic. they are functional items you can equip your Last Stand or Campaign heroes with. particularly early on they can make a difference.

i don't get what the issue is supposed to be with the DLC. yes, there is a lot of it but all of it is optional, and some of it is purely cosmetic. and when you can get the stuff bundled and at 66-75% off during promos and sales, the purchase becomes a no-brainer, IMO.
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Crassmaster: But you don't need any of it to actually play and enjoy the game. You don't NEED your Space Marines to be Imperial Fists or your Chaos war band to be Word Bearers to enjoy the game. That was my point.

I do agree with you on not getting what is wrong with DLC though. The mindset some gamers have of essentially 'DLC=eval' is ridiculous.
I agree that DLC isn't inherently bad, but there is a legitimate slippery slope argument and not all DLC is created equal, and not all DLC is accessible to all people.

If you need to see a case of how DLC can set a bad precedent just check out the case of MX vs ATV Alive reviews.
Post edited February 03, 2012 by elus89