Roman5: They do a lot of bad things that if other companies did it - they would get slaughtered publically but Both of them are VERY good at keeping a "Good face" to the public so they get away with it, especially Valve who many people still consider that it cares about them
Fred_DM: such as?
the negativity in your posts - a constant torrent of complaints - is mindboggling. do you actually still find joy in gaming, or are you just in for the complaining?
Day 1 DLC in Portal 2
Lying to community about HL episode 3 release
Ruined TF2 with Mann Co store and F2P
Made a lot of people think that DRM is ok by using the most simple marketing techniques
Most of their games were not made by them and are simply mods
And so on, these are just some examples, my point was: both of these companies are Very good at keeping a "Good face" image in the public and have some of the most ridiculous company cult followings ever
Also: I'm never negative just for the sake of it, I know at first glance it seems like I do but I'm not. I always have solid facts and arguments when I critisize something or someone, Valve of course is nowhere near as bad as Apple (If you were here on the forums after Steve died, you would very clearly know my attitude towards that company)