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nondeplumage: Whenever I hear it, I think 90% of the people saying it have no fucking clue what it even means.
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Arteveld: Could be. Anyhow, i see it as oversensitivity of our age, and i don't see it ending good.


Anyhow, in Poland, at least, we see that Playboy thing as part of a marketing thing, for a game, and nobody sees it as a picture, of what we think of women. Sorry to disappoint.
It's a bunch of polygons. It's like a photoshopped girl advertising the effects of a wonder creme in a women magazine. It's an add, not an essay on sexual abuse.
To be honest, I don't know why I asked about Poland, it's the same in any other country.
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Ash360: The only tragedy is that the eye candy is lost on me :(
I want my eye candy to, I want to be the audience they are pandering to.
Wait until they release Witcher: Rule 34 edition.
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Ash360: The only tragedy is that the eye candy is lost on me :(
I want my eye candy to, I want to be the audience they are pandering to.
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nondeplumage: Wait until they release Witcher: Rule 34 edition.
Finally we'll get our mule on chicken fix.
Because Men are NEVER EVER objectified right? RIGHT?

Please...give me a break

People like looking at other naked attractive people of the opposite sex

Grow up OP
I guess for me it's actually not so much the nudity or morals that bothers me but the gender issue. I could even take the example of the objectified soldiers: Why is it men are always portrayed (or objectified, if you want) as soldiers, fighters, tough guys while the main quality of the heroines seem to be the titties?

And for me there's a thin line between the 'objectifying' gender roles fitting a specific setting on the one hand (which I can accept if it's well done and believable) and a silent accord with them from the part of the developers on the other hand. For example, I enjoyed playing Gothic, and it was believable that it's a man's world, but the way the few females in it were portrayed (as half-naked voiceless slaves scrubbing the floor in ambiguos poses, taking a bath or lying naked in bed) made me feel quite uneasy, because it didn't seem neutral to me but exploitative of their sex, and the player is forced into the role of an accomplice and supporter of this sexist view on gender roles.

And I feel similar when I see TW2 advertised in this way, regardless of the game's sexual content itself (which I can't judge, there's a chance I wouldn't have a problem with it, if the involved women are believable characters with their own mind).
Post edited April 18, 2011 by Leroux
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granny: *Scratches head*

In Rome: Total War the choice to condemn thousands of men, women and children to slavery and death was reduced to a simple case of "If I kill them all, I get more money".

In Birth of the Federation, you were able to obliterate entire planets from orbit, murdering countless billions of innocents.

In Thief, you are encouraged to rob people blind.

In Oblivion, you happily took money to murder otherwise good people.

So, I'm sure you'll forgive me if I fail to get worked up over artwork of half-naked women.
I don't understand why so many posters are understanding it wrong. My problem is that sex is being used as a marketing tool. Triss is being trivialized to "a hot woman you get to fuck if you buy our game". There is no problem with sex or any of the examples you have commented as far as they are treated seriously in a game that is supposed to be mature. As I said, Geralt is a womanizer, he has sex with many women, it fits in the games, no problem with that. This, we are talking about, is disrespectful to the game itself and to the target audience, unless the target audience buys their games to see naked women.
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TheCheese33: I don't mind nudity, or sex. What I mind is nudity being used to sell a game. It insults the buyer, because they don't want to be seen as poon hounds who purchase a game because of the virtual sex within.
*Recalls happily buying his copy of Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball in his local videogame store.* Some of us don't mind being seen as poon hounds. One side of me likes all that and likes pornography etc, it's a fairly natural thing.

It doesn't mean to say I don't respect women though, I'm just able to differentiate between the objectification of the female form and the complexities of a real woman. I've always been completely loyal in past relationships, even so far as not watching porn or playing games like that because it feels dishounrable to me. Plus whilst I'm very old fashioned with the women I do know (gentleman), I can't help but notice the sheer quantity of glorified sex dolls walking about town drunk on a Friday night who can't seriously expect or want respect with their mannerisms and skimpy clothing that makes DOAXBV seem prude.
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Ash360: The only tragedy is that the eye candy is lost on me :(
I want my eye candy to, I want to be the audience they are pandering to.
I think women get more pandering in game than guys have a chance to. Any RPG I remember playing, when you strip down the characters to their undies, the guys are just in their brief, but the girls have to wear bras. So while we're waiting for special calendars and the rare uncensored edition, you can just pan around your half-nekkid guy all day long in game. =P
Does anyone alse find it amusing that someone who calls himself MichaelPalin is complaining about boobs when the real Michael Palin is in fact a keen lover of them. Indeed a large number of Python sketches involved Carol Cleveland and her boobs.
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MichaelPalin: You are obviously using women bodies as simple product to sell.
Clearly CDP are adopting new, sophisticated and ominous marketing schemes to gain our attention. Imagine if this kind of thing catches on?!

STOP THIS KIND OF THING
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Roman5: Because Men are NEVER EVER objectified right? RIGHT?

Please...give me a break

People like looking at other naked attractive people of the opposite sex

Grow up OP
I think we should address the problem by having more half-naked men in various media appearances. And we definitely need parity of men getting it on on film with women and the various other possibilities while we're at it.
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Ash360: The only tragedy is that the eye candy is lost on me :(
I want my eye candy to, I want to be the audience they are pandering to.
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nondeplumage: Wait until they release Witcher: Rule 34 edition.
The mod will surely come quicker.
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Ash360: The only tragedy is that the eye candy is lost on me :(
I want my eye candy to, I want to be the audience they are pandering to.
That's what Dandelion and his mandolin fighting style is for :)
Look, I'll be the first to admit that the cards in Witcher 1 were needless - that's it, they were unnecessary, for they bore no impact, no meaning whatsoever other than to show naked bodies. But then again - no one was forcing you to collect them, look at them, hunt them. They were just there, and if you try to gather them, it says more about you than it does the developer.

While it's good that Tallima attempts to back up his posts with sources, the source he lists is near useless, as it's from an advisor in family relationships and professor in higher Catholic education.

The issue is a sociological and psychological one, not merely a familiarity, and especially not a religious issue.
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Delixe: Does anyone alse find it amusing that someone who calls himself MichaelPalin is complaining about boobs when the real Michael Palin is in fact a keen lover of them. Indeed a large number of Python sketches involved Carol Cleveland and her boobs.
Well, clearly Mr. Palin is down with OPP.

Not sure why that keeps popping into my head lately.