MichaelPalin: My problem is that sex is being used as a marketing tool
granny: Which is somehow worse than using violence and the brutal subjugation of your enemies as a marketing tool?
MichaelPalin: Triss is being trivialized to "a hot woman you get to fuck if you buy our game".
granny: In Rome, the massacre of thousands of innocents is trivialised to a simple case of moar money. Why is Triss as a sex object worse?
Who said Triss as a sex object is worse than other things? Why a bad thing makes other bad things good? Why do I have to complain about violence in video games when I'm complaining about sex in marketing? Should I complain about famine in the world too?
MichaelPalin: There is no problem with sex or any of the examples you have commented as far as they are treated seriously in a game that is supposed to be mature
granny: I'll just repeat: the massacre of thousands of innocents is trivialised to a simple case of moar money.
Ok, fine, if they trivialize that in Rome, Rome has a problem. I have no idea about that game, so I don't know if it is ok or not. Does it have any consequence? Romans used to kill thousands of Christians every year just for fun, maybe it fits the game. I don't know about that game and I don't care either.
MichaelPalin: This, we are talking about, is disrespectful to the game itself and to the target audience, unless the target audience buys their games to see naked women.
granny: Because it'd be far better for the target audience to buy the game simply to crush the weak beneath their heel, subjugate and exterminate other cultures, and ensure that their chosen master race dominates all of creation.
Exactly, you got it, that's what The Witcher is about: hard times with a lot of racial conflicts, war, magic and monsters. If you don't have violence in a game about those things you are doing something very wrong. I only know the first game, maybe I'm wrong and The Witcher was about women showing their bodies for money all along and the Playboy thing makes perfect sense.
granny: Sorry for the sarcasm there, but see, the thing is violence, conquest, and warfare are used quite effectively as marketing tools.
If the game is about that, why not? As far as it is not trivialized in the ads, should be ok.
granny: Why do people buy Street Fighter games? What was the focus of the recent Space Marine trailers? Why do Call of Duty games sell by the truckload? Could it not be argued that this trivialises warfare and violence?
I'm not a fan of trivialization of violence either. If it fits a game and is a main theme of it, advertising it through violence makes sense. But if the game is only about trivial violence, then it is not a game that takes itself seriously.
granny: Why is that acceptable, but using a half naked picture of Triss to advertise it to those that care about such things unacceptable? This is what I cannot fathom.
The answer to this may be too long. Advertising goes always for whatever sells the most and marketing goes always for the wider demographics. Both sciences have as a goal the manipulation of people to squeeze as much money as possible from them. I would not miss them the slightest if they were to disappear. But let's assume advertising is necessary. How would someone that respects their product and genuinely wants people to enjoy it advertise it? Well, it would explain what it is about, what the goal of the product is and hope they have done a good job that speaks for itself. What would someone that only wants money do? Design all the girls in the game with big tits and use them as advertisement. I cannot approve of the second approach and I was expecting more from CDProjekt.