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Ash360: The only tragedy is that the eye candy is lost on me :(
I want my eye candy to, I want to be the audience they are pandering to.
I'm damn tempted to hold a contest now.
Vote for one male GoG-Team member to join TW2's GoG art edition in an erotic pose (either as virtual character or real one, depending on own preference). The four female GoG team members would certainly be entitled to join the voting as well :p
If the elected candidate 'braves the challenge', I'd toss a GoG game of his choice towards one of the ladies that voted for him (randomly selected ;)

*feels itchy fingers*
Post edited April 19, 2011 by Fujek
Has anyone noticed that ALL male models in EVERY commercial, poster, ad etc always look troubled? Apparently it is something they're told to do because it is considered attractive!
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orcishgamer: Feminists do get a bad rep, because there's a subset that runs around being verbally abusive to men who largely don't deserve it would otherwise be on their side (or at least consider it). Instead the men get called rapists and abusers for asking legitimate questions about some of the more "out there" positions. So instead of debate and understanding you get a break down of communication and the term feminist means unreasonable psycho to many.
Just because some may abuse it that's no excuse for discarding the whole concept and act like a dick yourself (generally speaking, not directed at you, orcishgamer!).
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TheCheese33: I don't mind nudity, or sex. What I mind is nudity being used to sell a game. It insults the buyer, because they don't want to be seen as poon hounds who purchase a game because of the virtual sex within.
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serpantino: *Recalls happily buying his copy of Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball in his local videogame store.* Some of us don't mind being seen as poon hounds. One side of me likes all that and likes pornography etc, it's a fairly natural thing.

It doesn't mean to say I don't respect women though, I'm just able to differentiate between the objectification of the female form and the complexities of a real woman. I've always been completely loyal in past relationships, even so far as not watching porn or playing games like that because it feels dishounrable to me. Plus whilst I'm very old fashioned with the women I do know (gentleman), I can't help but notice the sheer quantity of glorified sex dolls walking about town drunk on a Friday night who can't seriously expect or want respect with their mannerisms and skimpy clothing that makes DOAXBV seem prude.
This is pretty much my thoughts.

On top of, i really dont care. Its a game, something i want to have fun with, i really dont give a rats ass who "could be" being objectified, murdered, hung, gutted. Its a game and as long as your mature enough to know the difference between a game and real life then theres nothing wrong. When you no longer know, then it becomes a problem. Theres a reason the box has a giant fucking "M" on it, it means its for mature audiences only. If your not mature enough then dont play it, plain a simple. Sex is a part of life, regardless of what medium we are talking about, the media has helped that along for how many years now? Time to get used to it. The only time i agree with keeping that crap out is with children. Otherwise, 15 years old and up, who cares, Tommy Boy is 15 and is most likely looking at porn anyway, so id rather my son wack it in his bedroom with material i buy him, then with some bimbo down the street with aids. Pick your goddamn battles, this...this isnt worth the keystrokes, the breath, or the brain power.
Post edited April 19, 2011 by StonerMk2
I can't help it but the first screen-shot of the new Star control GoG release seems to be hilariously fitting this thread.

*chuckles* Nice one there GoG, nearly empathic!
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granny: *Scratches head*

In Rome: Total War the choice to condemn thousands of men, women and children to slavery and death was reduced to a simple case of "If I kill them all, I get more money".

In Birth of the Federation, you were able to obliterate entire planets from orbit, murdering countless billions of innocents.

In Thief, you are encouraged to rob people blind.

In Oblivion, you happily took money to murder otherwise good people.

So, I'm sure you'll forgive me if I fail to get worked up over artwork of half-naked women.
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MichaelPalin: I don't understand why so many posters are understanding it wrong. My problem is that sex is being used as a marketing tool. Triss is being trivialized to "a hot woman you get to fuck if you buy our game". There is no problem with sex or any of the examples you have commented as far as they are treated seriously in a game that is supposed to be mature. As I said, Geralt is a womanizer, he has sex with many women, it fits in the games, no problem with that. This, we are talking about, is disrespectful to the game itself and to the target audience, unless the target audience buys their games to see naked women.
From which age are you coming from?

Ever since capitalism and mass media came up in the 30s, sex became the biggest marketing tool. It's nothing new here.
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Tantrix: From which age are you coming from?

Ever since capitalism and mass media came up in the 30s, sex became the biggest marketing tool. It's nothing new here.
Noone claimed it was. MichaelPalin just expressed his disappointment in CDP that they chose to go that route, too, and said he won't support them anymore if they keep it up. What's the big deal with that? He didn't even say you all have to follow his example, so I don't get why so many posters try to ridicule him or just use his thread to vent against abusive feminists, self-righteous moralizers or cruel life in general ...

On the other hand, from what I've heard about the game and judging from the few short stories by Sapkowski that I've read, maybe this actually is a fitting way to promote the game. Doesn't make it any more sympathethic for me but who cares. Everyone should decide for their own what they enjoy and support and what not. *shrugs*
Post edited April 19, 2011 by Leroux
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Tantrix: From which age are you coming from?

Ever since capitalism and mass media came up in the 30s, sex became the biggest marketing tool. It's nothing new here.
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Leroux: Noone claimed it was. MichaelPalin just expressed his disappointment in CDP that they chose to go that route, too, and said he won't support them anymore if they keep it up. What's the big deal with that? He didn't even say you all have to follow his example, so I don't get why so many posters try to ridicule him or just use his thread to vent against abusive feminists, self-righteous moralizers or cruel life in general ...
But he did post it on a discussion forum, which, you know, is kind of invitation to discuss the subject.
Enough of this crap I'm enraged that they don't print naked men onto their advertisement and that they won't do a DA2 and saturate it with homosexuality.

Clearly indicative of something somewhere for someone to bitch about.
Post edited April 19, 2011 by Popinjay
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Orryyrro: But he did post it on a discussion forum, which, you know, is kind of invitation to discuss the subject.
Yes, you do have a point there. And it's perfectly okay to have a different opinion and express it in a civilized and mature way. It's just that I only see part of the posters actually interested in discussing the topic, the other half is just condescending and insulting, telling those who have a different opinion than their own to shut up or talking about things that have nothing to with the OP's posts.
Post edited April 19, 2011 by Leroux
People can be such prudes.
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MichaelPalin: ...
I'd just like to make an example of a film, wich heavily used "sexual" images as adverts, and still delivered and very deep insight on human relations without being "cheap" (or at least being it in the right moment: American Beauty.

Only because CDprojeckt advertises this game with a bit of boobies does not mean it will only be about boobies, sure knowing the witcher 1 there probably will be some charachters that are just there so you can jump into bed with them, but there will also probably be believable and fascinating characters.
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Post edited April 19, 2011 by WBGhiro
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MichaelPalin: My problem is that sex is being used as a marketing tool
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granny: Which is somehow worse than using violence and the brutal subjugation of your enemies as a marketing tool?

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MichaelPalin: Triss is being trivialized to "a hot woman you get to fuck if you buy our game".
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granny: In Rome, the massacre of thousands of innocents is trivialised to a simple case of moar money. Why is Triss as a sex object worse?
Who said Triss as a sex object is worse than other things? Why a bad thing makes other bad things good? Why do I have to complain about violence in video games when I'm complaining about sex in marketing? Should I complain about famine in the world too?

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MichaelPalin: There is no problem with sex or any of the examples you have commented as far as they are treated seriously in a game that is supposed to be mature
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granny: I'll just repeat: the massacre of thousands of innocents is trivialised to a simple case of moar money.
Ok, fine, if they trivialize that in Rome, Rome has a problem. I have no idea about that game, so I don't know if it is ok or not. Does it have any consequence? Romans used to kill thousands of Christians every year just for fun, maybe it fits the game. I don't know about that game and I don't care either.

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MichaelPalin: This, we are talking about, is disrespectful to the game itself and to the target audience, unless the target audience buys their games to see naked women.
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granny: Because it'd be far better for the target audience to buy the game simply to crush the weak beneath their heel, subjugate and exterminate other cultures, and ensure that their chosen master race dominates all of creation.
Exactly, you got it, that's what The Witcher is about: hard times with a lot of racial conflicts, war, magic and monsters. If you don't have violence in a game about those things you are doing something very wrong. I only know the first game, maybe I'm wrong and The Witcher was about women showing their bodies for money all along and the Playboy thing makes perfect sense.

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granny: Sorry for the sarcasm there, but see, the thing is violence, conquest, and warfare are used quite effectively as marketing tools.
If the game is about that, why not? As far as it is not trivialized in the ads, should be ok.

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granny: Why do people buy Street Fighter games? What was the focus of the recent Space Marine trailers? Why do Call of Duty games sell by the truckload? Could it not be argued that this trivialises warfare and violence?
I'm not a fan of trivialization of violence either. If it fits a game and is a main theme of it, advertising it through violence makes sense. But if the game is only about trivial violence, then it is not a game that takes itself seriously.

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granny: Why is that acceptable, but using a half naked picture of Triss to advertise it to those that care about such things unacceptable? This is what I cannot fathom.
The answer to this may be too long. Advertising goes always for whatever sells the most and marketing goes always for the wider demographics. Both sciences have as a goal the manipulation of people to squeeze as much money as possible from them. I would not miss them the slightest if they were to disappear. But let's assume advertising is necessary. How would someone that respects their product and genuinely wants people to enjoy it advertise it? Well, it would explain what it is about, what the goal of the product is and hope they have done a good job that speaks for itself. What would someone that only wants money do? Design all the girls in the game with big tits and use them as advertisement. I cannot approve of the second approach and I was expecting more from CDProjekt.
Post edited April 19, 2011 by MichaelPalin
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Hawk52: I'm not morally offended by sexuality. Given that I grew up with the internet it's quite the opposite. Kind of hard to be a prude when you discover the Japanese's love of tentacles at age ten.

That being said, I didn't care for how The Witcher treated sexuality at all. I found it absurd and distracting. The scene that sticks out in my mind is the introductory bit with Triss, a character they want to portray as reasonably respectable and strong. You know what harms that? Tirts the size of her head that bounce in ways the laws of gravity and motion do not permit at the slightest twitch of her model. You can't have it both ways. You can aim to please male gamers (and alienate female gamers) by doing that but you sacrifice any and all respectability that character will ever have. Or you present a respectable strong female character who is reasonably modest. And often those are the characters who get the most fanboy attention.
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mystral: So... if a woman has big breasts she isn't entitled to respect, but instantly becomes only a sex object, is what you're saying. There are so many things wrong with that I don't know where to start.
If you seriously can't see the difference between a woman with big breasts and a character who wears a top with a huge cleavage hole for no reason other then fan service and whose gigantic breasts FLY around her model at the slightest twitch with a physics model not seen anywhere else but in breast models then you are pretty deluded. It's not that hard to present a sexy woman as respectable. Making a physics model that cannot actually work in the real world and pointless cleavage? Works against that idea.
I really can't understand what is all the anger against the big boobs.
I love them and they are great. I don't know any man who doesn't love them and doesn't like to look at them.

No offence, but United States attitude to sexuality really scares me.
My ex boss was at US for a year and once opened a door for approaching old female worker and she accused him for sexual harassment or something like that. Thank God her bosses convinced her that he is from another country and there men try to be polite to women and especially aged ones.
Last summer a friend of my younger cousin was on a seminar at US and on the first day there they went shopping at some mall. A shop girl smiled to the group and our guy stopped walking, smiled back excited and said "How you doing? or How are you?" Next moment she called security and later police, because the guy "jumped on her". All ended good, because they found out that the group ( two males and three females) was not from US.

On topic, it's a game chill out and enjoy the view. Stop with all the moral jokes, sex is a natural thing and one of the very best thing in our lives.