I think you need to be more egocentric. How about "everything that happens and that is not the result of your own free choice is the will of God"? Just assume that yours is the only point of view (maybe add "whereas the result of your own free choice is the will of God if and only if it fits our interpretation of the will of God").

answer relating to gog:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGDV3iD4Uxo

The whole issue ends up being about what you consider human life and what you're willing to protect.

In the holocaust, a bunch of people said that some people weren't people at all (Jews, disabled). So it was fine to kill them.

Many people feel that is exactly what's going on with unborn children. They're not "people," they're "parasites" (don't fit the definition) or "fetuses" (true) or part of a woman's body (not technically true, but sort of -- if considering what is directing the growth, not facilitating the energy for it).

So, some people say "Life is life. Human is human. Rape or not, there is a human being involved that didn't do anything wrong and it is wrong to murder."

The gravity of the situation has nothing to do with women's rights to those who see the unborn as humans capable of being murdered. It has everything to do with defending those who cannot defend themselves.

Now, I'm not going to say that the situation is simple. I think a woman does have choices to make. I also think that the baby is innocent. The situation is very complicated. But some people say "Let the woman make the ultimate choice," some say "We should pressure the woman to make the ultimate choice one way or the other," and some say "Murder is murder, this should be illegal."

I hope everyone can at least understand each side without calling people bigots, retarded or broadly accuse religion of rape, denial of women's rights, etc.

Perhaps everyone is making convenient excuses to back their view. Babies certainly are people and pro-lifers aren't all religious. But some folks are actually thinking and choosing. And it's important to understand their arguments if you want to make progress.

It's true that people are twisting his words, but as some people have already stated, pregnancy is a cause and effect thing. Ppl have sex -> girl get's pregnant.

So if the child is the will of God, ppl having sex is also the will of God because it leads directly to the other. Without the sex there wouldn't be pregnancy, so the will of God wouldn't be fulfilled.

Thus if the pregnancy is a result of rape and the child is the will of God, then the REASON for this pregnancy is also the will of God. So logically speaking God wanted the rape to happen.

but then again...bigots and logic...

I have to say this:

People like him hates/despise dictators and governments loves freedom to the people yet he worships a god who is an even bigger Dictator than Stalin.

Is there a religious stigma in regards to in vitro in Poland? That's odd, as fundamentalist as my country is becoming, we don't actually have that one.

Yep, because in vitro fertilation is "murdering hundreds of innocent embrions"

Is Poland predominantly Catholic? That would explain it, I guess.

Stop being reasonable. It has no place in yet another discussion bashing all of those with a conservative bent, based on the brief statement of one guy speaking the truth of how he feels about a single issue.

My apologies. I do it for typing practice. :D

So serial killers may defend themselves that they were merely dispensing God's will?

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That is possibly the biggest understatement I've heard in a long time.

LOL. For what it's worth, I agree wholeheartedly with what you wrote. And to point out the complexity and emotion of the matter, Jane Roe herself, Norma McCorvey, these days is a pro-life advocate.

Devil's will, bro! God does the good stuff, Devil does the bad stuff. Since they're in competition they must not be omnipotent though, so I guess everyone is worshiping Daedra lords.