hey i loved oblivion.

Edit: Watched some the leaked footage and the game looks fine. Pretty much everything I expected from a Bethesda game. They seemed to have fixed my main issues with Oblivion.

Fallout 3 > Morrowind > Oblivion

for me at least

I have enjoyed the whole fallout and Elder scrolls series - right up till Fallout3 Goty and Oblivion.

Sadly, Bethesda and ID soft amongst others have started to ship newer titles wrapped in obscure 3rd party clients, which is totally unacceptable for me. I will not touch Steam,Origin,Uplay,Gfwl,etc. with a ten feet pole - and i have decided to vote with my wallet and not buy such software.

The only chance i'll ever play New vegas, Rage or Skyrim is, if the game companies come to their senses and put the software up without drm, either as boxed copies or via gog.com.

I already have bought some titles from gog, and have enjoyed them quite a bit.

Finally a big thankyou to cd project red for making Witcher 1 and 2 available without any drm. I am looking forward to see what you guys are coming up with next.

Does that usually happen? The console leak, I mean. I don't really follow any of that sort of stuff.

huh. Learn something new everyday.

"Just as much" is pretty exaggerated. Xbox games tend to leak earlier now-a-days because all the content has to be on the disc when it is sent out to manufacture. PC games tend to have some content withheld until release day for Steamworks games and some others.

That said PC piracy numbers are still MUCH higher, and given the much lower sales of PC versions the comparison of sold to pirated is MUCH worse. On top of that Xbox games sell MUCH more, making for less desire for piracy to be focused on by publishers and the gaming press. The reasons for all this are varied but they pretty much start with the fact you have to mod a console to play pirated games and keep up with ever changing firmware updates.

While some people like to make a big deal out of it when Xbox versions leak first it really means nothing as far as PC piracy being the most common.

From what i have seen the game looks ok not brilliant . I will however hold judgement til the pc version is released and amazon delivers it to my door.

After rage though i am not putting my hopes up as much.

I hope the game isn't just all hype. Is anyone picking up the CE edition?

We're dedicated, but not crazy. ;)

What does Rage have to do with anything?

lots of hype, pile of shite

I like to think of it as the Oblivion effect

Hyped games that end up average or even bad have been happening since gaming began, I don't know why Rage has any special effect on Skyrim in that regard.

I would've liked to buy the CE, but I'm not buying a game for the price of three regular games just to get a statue.