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This is my favourite topic
Posted November 04, 2012
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iainmet: I know, its a shame really, the people that refuse Steam are missing out on some great new titles. Not forgetting supporting devs which in turn keeps new games coming to us end users. So be it though, its their loss really.
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JAAHAS: The unhindered ability to revisit the games I have finished is far more important to me than just getting to waste my time on playing the latest best game ever that I have no certainty that I can get a crack for the final patch and that it does a proper job of eliminating any third party requirements instead of just hacking the client, as then I would need to arrange that specific version of the client to be pointed to a right folder every time I launch the game(s) that it works with and hope that the upcoming service packs and Windows versions are compatible with it instead of just worrying to get the game's own executable to run.

Any game I start to play may have the potential to be so good that I would regret for not being able to replay it in the future because of DRM, so I rather spend my time on games that I know I can play as long as I have kept around compatible hardware and a suitable power source for it. Just as I don't wish to verify if I might be predisposed for getting addicted to smoking or alcohol by starting use them, I am not going to give publishers any power over me by exposing myself to DRM and then have the risk of sinking so low that in the end I pay a monthly fee on half a dozen services because the terms of use have gradually changed to require that to maintain the clients that are needed for the games to work.
Exactly. This is some the reasons why some of us despise DRM-based clients and draconian subscription agreements - and the limitations that come with it. You effectively get chained to the internet, and is not able to do anything without it.

Supporting all distribution platforms is so much better than an exclusive distribution rights agreement, both for the customers and the developers.
Monopoly sucks.
Posted November 04, 2012
Acting like Steam will impair game preservation is ridiculous. It's a massive platform used by millions to sell thousands upon thousands of well known games. When it goes under, be it 20 years or 50 or whatever, there will be an official solution. Even if there isn't this is the fucking PC we're talking about, the games will be fine. Fuck, they already, today, can be played without Steam if you choose to go that route.

It's a hollow as shit argument.

Diablo 3 style client-side things? Streaming? Those are the real fucking battles.
Post edited November 04, 2012 by StingingVelvet
Posted November 04, 2012
Havn't read through this whole thread yet so don't know if It's been mentioned.
Ages ago when Steam really started to get big, Gabe Newell said that if Steam were to go bust and be shutdown, there would be a 30 day period (I think it was) for people to download all the games in their Steam library outside of Steam for use once Steam was shutdown.
Posted November 04, 2012
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ZYZKryten: Havn't read through this whole thread yet so don't know if It's been mentioned.
Ages ago when Steam really started to get big, Gabe Newell said that if Steam were to go bust and be shutdown, there would be a 30 day period (I think it was) for people to download all the games in their Steam library outside of Steam for use once Steam was shutdown.
While I have heard something like that, there's a couple of problems here - a) what they say might not be what they'll do, and b) it's not Steam going bust that I'm worried about - Gabe won't be there forever...
Posted November 04, 2012
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Zandolf: Guess you haven't seen everything on moddb. If you had looked a few months ago, you would have seen it.
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SirPrimalform: No of course not, but I can only go by what I have seen. I know that games bought on Desura certainly don't require the client, so it doesn't make any sense for mods to require it.
"Zandolf: Thanks. that has been bugging me. Still wonder why it was needed for mods. Sorry for going off topic folks."

Dude, that's why I wrote the above in an earlier post. I'm not sure where you're going with all this:
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SirPrimalform: Desura definitely doesn't insist on being online all the time

SirPrimalform: It isn't?
http://www.moddb.com/mods/portal-pro/downloads
Pretty sure there's a downloads page for every mod hosted.

SirPrimalform: Can you link to the mod(s) that required Desura to install?
Also yes, when you run Desura it wants to be online (unless you click the offline button).
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Until a few months ago, I had never seen a download button for Desura on moddb.com, but it is there now. And, a few month ago there were mods with Desura download only buttons. Now they have added a moddb download button above the desura button, I probably wasn't the only one asking questions. I neither know why it happen or why Desura would do this for a mod or anything else for that matter, but maybe that's why I asked here after inquiring with Desura and moddb.

Now, what's your deal? I asked some questions, people here were nice enough to answer my questions, and thank you all very much for that, then you come along trying to cast doubt on what I said. What does that do for you? Really sad dude.
Posted November 04, 2012
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ZYZKryten: Havn't read through this whole thread yet so don't know if It's been mentioned.
Ages ago when Steam really started to get big, Gabe Newell said that if Steam were to go bust and be shutdown, there would be a 30 day period (I think it was) for people to download all the games in their Steam library outside of Steam for use once Steam was shutdown.
Holy Crap I have over 500 games on Steam , I'm screwed there is no way I could Download 500 + games in just 30 days !!
Posted November 04, 2012
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Egotomb: But you know what? Everybody hates onions. You big attention seeking whore :P
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Fuzzyfireball: I hate to scare you like this, but... [whisper]there are people in this thread that actually like onions...[/whisper]

/looks around slowly
(continuing to whisper)
Yes we are currently few in number, but in time...in time we will rise and rid this world of "onion smut" once and for all.
Posted November 04, 2012
For some reason i can't access the steam page right now. Anyone else having issues?
Posted November 04, 2012
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Zandolf: Now, what's your deal? I asked some questions, people here were nice enough to answer my questions, and thank you all very much for that, then you come along trying to cast doubt on what I said. What does that do for you? Really sad dude.
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I shall use the PM system.
Post edited November 04, 2012 by SirPrimalform
Posted November 04, 2012
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ZYZKryten: Havn't read through this whole thread yet so don't know if It's been mentioned.
Ages ago when Steam really started to get big, Gabe Newell said that if Steam were to go bust and be shutdown, there would be a 30 day period (I think it was) for people to download all the games in their Steam library outside of Steam for use once Steam was shutdown.
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summitus: Holy Crap I have over 500 games on Steam , I'm screwed there is no way I could Download 500 + games in just 30 days !!
Then I guess you can find some solace in knowing that when Steam goes under they certainly are not going to patch the client requirement out off the games as the creditors and publishers would not allow that.

The only games Gabe can even fantasize about promising to make DRM free are the ones made by Valve and even then the rights for those could fall in the hands of the creditors. For the other games it all depends on whether the publishers are willing to let the lost games to be redeemed in their own online shops or advise the customers to sue Steam as if it would still be able to give refunds in it's current state. Surely it would cause a lot of anger on the internet, but as we have seen the almighty Joe Average will keep buying games no matter on how bad terms he needs to accept and the publishers get away with it once again.
Posted November 04, 2012
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JAAHAS: The only games Gabe can even fantasize about promising to make DRM free are the ones made by Valve and even then the rights for those could fall in the hands of the creditors. For the other games it all depends on whether the publishers are willing to let the lost games to be redeemed in their own online shops or advise the customers to sue Steam as if it would still be able to give refunds in it's current state. Surely it would cause a lot of anger on the internet, but as we have seen the almighty Joe Average will keep buying games no matter on how bad terms he needs to accept and the publishers get away with it once again.
Not really, the only games they can not make DRM free is those that make use of a third party DRM as well as steam. Those that use Steamworks CEG component is tied in with Steams TOS and it is up to Valve to regulate how it will be dealt with.
Posted November 04, 2012
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ShaolinsKunk: Fallout, Fallout 2, and Tactics on Steam: $9.99 each
Buy Fallout, Fallout 2 and Tactics for $20 (Special deal)

Fallout, Fallout 2, and Tactics on GOG: $5.99 each
No special deal on all 3 (because it's already cheaper) but you get the soundtrack and some other goodies.
No client to play through.

Yeah I was pretty pissed when I discovered I should've done some shopping.
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Pheace: I'm confused. The Fallout collection with those 3 games has been $20 for years, it's not a special deal. In fact, the special deals on those have been $6.79 for the pack.

Your shopping skills are not quite there yet :)
They're each $9.99, I was only planning on buying 1 and 2 and I just figured adding a free game wouldn't hurt. Buying them here would've meant that I could've bought just the two games I wanted, bought Tactics at a later date and still have saved a bit of money. Not only that I'm not forced to log into a client everytime I felt like playing and I get a few cool things like the soundtrack.

In fact, under the Interplay bundle, I got all three Fallout games for about $3.30 so even on that front GOG had them beat. Granted, it only worked out for me because I had none of the games on that deal but it works out cheaper nonetheless.

So $3.30 + goodies - DRM or $6.79 with just the DRM? You can decide which was the better deal.
Posted November 04, 2012
Sweet thread, grow, show them all, show the ills and folly of DRM.

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Post edited November 04, 2012 by scampywiak
Posted November 04, 2012
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JAAHAS: The only games Gabe can even fantasize about promising to make DRM free are the ones made by Valve and even then the rights for those could fall in the hands of the creditors. For the other games it all depends on whether the publishers are willing to let the lost games to be redeemed in their own online shops or advise the customers to sue Steam as if it would still be able to give refunds in it's current state. Surely it would cause a lot of anger on the internet, but as we have seen the almighty Joe Average will keep buying games no matter on how bad terms he needs to accept and the publishers get away with it once again.
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amok: Not really, the only games they can not make DRM free is those that make use of a third party DRM as well as steam. Those that use Steamworks CEG component is tied in with Steams TOS and it is up to Valve to regulate how it will be dealt with.
Are you saying that Steam has become so powerful that they can dictate the publishers to agree on letting Steam unilaterally decide whether their games can suddenly be released as DRM free? And even if so, when Steam goes under the creditors would see any DRM free patches as diminishing the company's worth and would sue anyone releasing them.
Posted November 04, 2012
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Thunderstone: Here we go again


nimrod is another term for an idiot. I sometimes use it too. I have never heard in used in reference to a hunter.
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orcishgamer: Most USians will know it precisely this way. The US is religious, but no one actually reads the Bible, they just think they'll go to hell if they don't show up at church occasionally. I doubt most know a lot of the "lesser" biblical names (though they'll know the obvious ones, e.g. Moses, David, Goliath, Samson, etc.).
I've never been to America but Christianity there seems to be like an "Ugly version" of the religion, not to mention the incredible hypocrisy I see from some people there sometimes regarding it and religion in general

Anyway, im starting to get off-topic here, welcome to club OP
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