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ReynardFox: Idiots.
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F4LL0UT: Okay then. Next time you express that you dislike a certain work or style I like I will just call you an idiot. Seems to be the appropriate thing to do in your opinion.
When i don't like a particular style I don't feel the need to tell everyone, I tend to keep my mouth shut and simply move along.
Post edited November 06, 2012 by ReynardFox
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ReynardFox: When i don't like a particular style I don't feel the need to tell everyone, I tend to keep my mouth shut and simply move along.
Okay, so expressing one's negative stance means being an idiot. Thanks for the lesson.
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ReynardFox: When i don't like a particular style I don't feel the need to tell everyone, I tend to keep my mouth shut and simply move along.
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F4LL0UT: Okay, so expressing one's negative stance means being an idiot. Thanks for the lesson.
You could have just said 'Doesn't look interesting to me' or something neutral, but no, you had to say something in an arrogant, dismissive fashion. I call idiot for unneccessarily tactless comment. Also, your followup comment shows that you do have a problem with the genre because if you even had the slightest clue about the game you wouldn't have made a baseless 'sexualization' comment.
Post edited November 06, 2012 by ReynardFox
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Starmaker: Name one well-known work of art with anthropomorphic animals that isn't popularly acknowledged to be "kiddie stuff" except Maus. Even the ponies walk on all fours.
While it's not necessarily a work of art, wouldn't the Elder Scrolls games count since it's marketed towards mature audiences and feature Argonians and Khajiit- two blatantly furry races?

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Crosmando: Wizardry 8 is a work of art
I like you.

Rest of thread seems to have devolved into arguing, so I'm gonna add my fuel to the fire: I don't think a lot of people would have played Solatorobo if the main character was a generic anime kid. Making the main characters anthropomorphic dogs and cats gives the game that sense of weirdness that makes people interested in the game. While there could have been other ways to do that (Ghost Trick's art style comes to mind), Solatorobo would not have been able to characterize itself in any other way without [minor spoilers] drastically altering the game's story.

So yeah. Just cool your jets. It's a videogame about a dog-man and his mecha, no need to attack it for having different kinds of characters without looking into why they put in those kinds of characters.
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F4LL0UT: Opens in new tab.
Sees furries.
Closes tab.
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Starmaker: This.
Dear GOG staff, please remove any games that have anthropomorphized animals or other beings from these two users' game lists. This includes RPGs, platformers, puzzle games, adventure games, and whatnot.

Since they obviously hate them for their appearance instead of judging the games for what they are, I don't think they'd mind.

Wub,
Foxhack
Post edited November 06, 2012 by Foxhack
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ReynardFox: You could have just said 'Doesn't look interesting to me' or something neutral, but no, you had to say something in an arrogant, dismissive fashion. I call idiot for unneccessarily tactless comment.
Dude, you're really overly sensitive. You react to a slightly provoking way of expressing my own opinion and describing my reaction as if it was an insult or direct assault on someone's personality. I did not say (or even think) "all people who like this game suffer from zoophilia" or "you've gotta be a manchild with no life to be a fan of this". If I had said that I'd totally get why you're calling me an idiot but in this case you're just misinterpreting and overreacting.

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ReynardFox: Also, your followup comment shows that you do have a problem with the genre because if you even had the slightest clue about the game you wouldn't have made a baseless 'sexualization' comment.
I didn't deny having a problem with the genre (whatever the genre might be). I think very lowly of replacing all characters with animals for no good reason and then adding human sexual features to them. I generally accuse manga and anime of sexism and thoughtless (or sometimes downright perverted) sexualization and IMO it gets disturbing once it involves mixing humans with animals. , [url=http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRPv4-EnSmmQ7dxSUQlNLUpQXHkqCG444uyAo4-T6IX7e4BfImSjVqhfSDLsA]this and is in my opinion tasteless. I honestly believe that the majority of the artists and fans instantly think of [url=http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/279/e/e/solatorobo_girls_by_bbmbbf-d5gy87s.jpg]this. Boobs, provoking clothing, features of under-age girls - yeah, no senseless sexualization here, it's all about sophisticated metaphores and making serious topics more accessible to children... my ass.
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ReynardFox: I'm not the one dismissing something for such a shallow reason.
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Starmaker: 1. Dehumanization is not a shallow reason. My specific reason is more comprehensively detailed in the design document for Dead Man's Hand, which google fails to find right now, so I'll just provide this quote (haha public domain ftw):
And every time you have real human beings replaced with some sort of specifically non-human creature that on some level cheapens them. No matter what kind of magic powers you ascribe to them, the fact is that you're making them "non-human". On some level they just aren't as worthy in your story as they actually are in real life.
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Starmaker: 2. Notice how two furry fans, Roman5 and you, started insulting people for not liking something in this thread. That's why you're an idiot.
First of all: Please don't call me "Furry", thanks

Second: Correct me if I'm wrong but from what I know and remember, I don't remember Solatorobo being marketed specifically to any "demographic" or ages, Solatorobo (just like many other games) is a game for "Everyone" and it can be enjoyed by "Everyone", there is a difference between a game for "Kids" and a game "For everyone"

Third: The reason I used the word "Immature" was because of yours and others very negative reactions simply because of the theme of the game and the main character. Refusing to play a good game, simply because you label it as "Furry" (whatever the hell that means) is pretty immature in my opinion, sorry if it offends you so much but that's the way I see it.
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Gyrocoptor: It's a videogame about a dog-man and his mecha, no need to attack it for having different kinds of characters without looking into why they put in those kinds of characters.
I still love it how you guys see some kind of attack here. You almost react as if someone had attacked you because of your sexuality or religion. Guys, just let it go, just accept the fact that others don't think kindly of the stuff you're into. :P
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Foxhack: Dear GOG staff, please remove any games that have anthropomorphized animals or other beings from these two users' game lists.
Foxhack
Please re-read our previous posts. Neither of us said that there's anything wrong with anthropomorphism in general.
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Roman5: Third: The reason I used the word "Immature" was because of yours and others very negative reactions simply because of the theme of the game and the main character.
Dude, there's nothing immature about disliking certain styles or genres - nobody can like everything. And we (or at least I) did not dismiss the possibility of the game having any positive features. All I said through my comment was that the presentation the artists chose is a total turn-off to me. What's immature is reacting that way to criticism - it was not a comment about any of you, just something you guys like and technically only one aspect of it.
Post edited November 06, 2012 by F4LL0UT
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F4LL0UT: snip...
It's quite unfair to bring adult fan-art into the discussion of a game, it has no impact on the product itself, you should judge games individually, on their own merits and not the actions of the more crazy/obsessive sides of their fanbases.

People will sexualize everything, no matter how wholesome. With the exception of the last link in your rebuttal, I would argue that you yourself are projecting obscenity onto some pretty innocuous images.

Finally no, the characters are not animals for no good reason, they are a stylistic choice by the developer, it is also a spiritual sequel to an old PSX game and is set in the same continuity. You'll also find most people who have played and enjoyed this game through, even people I know personally who aren't really interested in anthropomorphism, tend to agree that the characters here belong in this world, that it all gels seamlessly and believably and it wouldn't have felt the same without them. Not to mention the game's entire plot revolves around what they are.
Post edited November 06, 2012 by ReynardFox
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Roman5: Wow, I had no idea some people here had such an immature and negative attitude
ooohhhhh Roman5 your such a character!
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F4LL0UT: I still love it how you guys see some kind of attack here. You almost react as if someone had attacked you because of your sexuality or religion. Guys, just let it go, just accept the fact that others don't think kindly of the stuff you're into. :P
Ehh, I'm probably at fault here. I only really skimmed through the posts once people started calling each other idiots so I didn't take the time to process the tone of what you guys were trying to say.
I'm pretty sure the main reason people are being so defensive about it is because of the first couple of posts in the topic that dismiss the original poster's first post without giving much reason other than "Oh it's furries. Closed.". While it is a public forum and you're not required to give a reason as to why you dislike someone, people do like to know why you're disliking what they like, even if they argue and yell at you all the while.

Then again, I could be missing the entire point and this entire thread was an elaborate ruse. Oh well.
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Roman5: First of all: Please don't call me "Furry", thanks
You are a fan of a furry game. That's what I called you.
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Roman5: Second: Correct me if I'm wrong but from what I know and remember, I don't remember Solatorobo being marketed specifically to any "demographic" or ages, Solatorobo (just like many other games) is a game for "Everyone" and it can be enjoyed by "Everyone", there is a difference between a game for "Kids" and a game "For everyone"
No, there isn't. Especially with reviews like:
Everything about the gameplay is rather basic. Attacking an enemy consists of grabbing, picking them up, and then throwing them around to reduce their health, though some occasions require you to catch missiles and lob them back at the enemy. All of these actions are performed with the A button, while the B button performs dashes, tackles, and jumps.
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The target audience here is along the lines of 12-15 years of age, but for anyone who appreciated a deep story, it's there if you're patient enough to make it through the text heavy dialog. Solatorobo can also be quite fun at times, but again, the simplicity makes it more accessible to younger audiences and will often bore the older generation of gamers more used to complex games.
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Roman5: Third: The reason I used the word "Immature" was because of yours and others very negative reactions simply because of the theme of the game and the main character. Refusing to play a good game, simply because you label it as "Furry" (whatever the hell that means) is pretty immature in my opinion, sorry if it offends you so much but that's the way I see it.
Disregard and dismissal is not "very negative". "Go die in a fire" is very negative. Thin skin much?

Definition of furry. Wikipedia is the best place to look for dictionary definitions. As an adjective: being of special interest to that particular subculture.

I'm not refusing to play a good game because it has furry cooties. I'm refusing to play a game because I consider it bad.
Edit: sorry for the post, I'm on painkillers and it's not worth it.
Post edited November 06, 2012 by roninnogitsune
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Roman5: First of all: Please don't call me "Furry", thanks
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Starmaker: You are a fan of a furry game. That's what I called you.
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Roman5: Second: Correct me if I'm wrong but from what I know and remember, I don't remember Solatorobo being marketed specifically to any "demographic" or ages, Solatorobo (just like many other games) is a game for "Everyone" and it can be enjoyed by "Everyone", there is a difference between a game for "Kids" and a game "For everyone"
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Starmaker: No, there isn't. Especially with reviews like:
Everything about the gameplay is rather basic. Attacking an enemy consists of grabbing, picking them up, and then throwing them around to reduce their health, though some occasions require you to catch missiles and lob them back at the enemy. All of these actions are performed with the A button, while the B button performs dashes, tackles, and jumps.
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The target audience here is along the lines of 12-15 years of age, but for anyone who appreciated a deep story, it's there if you're patient enough to make it through the text heavy dialog. Solatorobo can also be quite fun at times, but again, the simplicity makes it more accessible to younger audiences and will often bore the older generation of gamers more used to complex games.
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Starmaker:
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Roman5: Third: The reason I used the word "Immature" was because of yours and others very negative reactions simply because of the theme of the game and the main character. Refusing to play a good game, simply because you label it as "Furry" (whatever the hell that means) is pretty immature in my opinion, sorry if it offends you so much but that's the way I see it.
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Starmaker: Disregard and dismissal is not "very negative". "Go die in a fire" is very negative. Thin skin much?

Definition of furry. Wikipedia is the best place to look for dictionary definitions. As an adjective: being of special interest to that particular subculture.

I'm not refusing to play a good game because it has furry cooties. I'm refusing to play a game because I consider it bad.

How can you consider it bad without trying it first? Yes, the gameplay is basic, basic does not mean "bad" or lackluster. That being said, yes, Solatorobo is a simple game. It is a fun one though, well suited for the handheld it is in. It is cheesy as hell, but not all things need to be serious. It is pretty good at what it tries to do.
Post edited November 06, 2012 by Luisfius
You know what other games are pretty basic?

Super Mario Bros. The Legend of Zelda. Sonic The Hedgehog.

Just because they don't expect you to micromanage a starfleet or time your spells to kill a giant lich does not mean the game isn't worth your time.