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Gundato: Not really. This is a largely MP game (from what I can tell), so you would want to be online anyway. So the DRM isn't THAT bad for this one.
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Delixe: Actually it is it runs on the same servers so if everyone is playing AC2 it will affect the server load when trying to play RUSE online. I'm sure the load wont increase that much as RUSE is unlikely to be as popular as AC2 however remember that the DRM acts independently of the MP servers. This i will not only increase lag due to the fact you now have two packets of data being sent and received by the same game but if the DRM servers lose your connection you are not only dumped out of the MP game but dumped right back to the title screen.
Then of course you can look forward to playing on the day Splinter Cell: Conviction is released.

Again, those are problems with the DRM model itself. And RTSs tend to not be as twitch-gamey as FPS, so a slightly higher ping won't kill you.
And how was AC2 ruined by the DRM, outside of people who couldn't connect to the server over the weekend while they were ironing out the bugs? Just chalk that up to how so few games are released in playable states these days.
I don't like the DRM-model any more than you guys, but the game isn't being ruined by it. Maybe our enjoyment is (because we feel the need to boycott on principle), but the game itself is fairly untouched. Especially for an MP-oriented game.
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Gundato: Again, those are problems with the DRM model itself. And RTSs tend to not be as twitch-gamey as FPS, so a slightly higher ping won't kill you.

Yes it will, remember Ubisoft stated it has to be 100% stable internet connection. Thats difficult at the best of times now there are two data streams coming from the same game. It will increase latency and the chances you will be de-synced from the DRM servers. Remember I am not talking about the MP servers. They are used to dealing with lag. I am talking about the DRM servers that have very little tolerance at all as has been witnessed this weekend.
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Gundato: Again, those are problems with the DRM model itself. And RTSs tend to not be as twitch-gamey as FPS, so a slightly higher ping won't kill you.
And how was AC2 ruined by the DRM, outside of people who couldn't connect to the server over the weekend while they were ironing out the bugs? Just chalk that up to how so few games are released in playable states these days.
I don't like the DRM-model any more than you guys, but the game isn't being ruined by it. Maybe our enjoyment is (because we feel the need to boycott on principle), but the game itself is fairly untouched. Especially for an MP-oriented game.

Just how is any of what you've just written supposed to make sense? You agree that it wasn't released in a playable state. This was because of the DRM. You then say that it wasn't ruined by the DRM. Even though you had just stated that it was. Seriously, what the hell are you on about?
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Gundato: And how was AC2 ruined by the DRM, outside of people who couldn't connect to the server over the weekend while they were ironing out the bugs? Just chalk that up to how so few games are released in playable states these days.
I don't like the DRM-model any more than you guys, but the game isn't being ruined by it. Maybe our enjoyment is (because we feel the need to boycott on principle), but the game itself is fairly untouched. Especially for an MP-oriented game.

Have you not been paying attention to the gaming media? The Steam forums? The Ubi forums? The thread you yourself have commented on here?
The game has been ruined as hardly anyone has been able to play it properly for 4 days. Ubisoft are more concerned with telling people how effective their system is and updating the DRM servers to stop legal owners trying to play. Ubi's version of effective DRM is that NOBODY can play the game.
There have been so far 140,000 page views on the Ubi forums JUST in the specific game launching problems threads. There are a great many more complaints on there and on Steam. A little more than the 5% minority Ubisoft claim have been affected by this.
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Gundato: It is not "ruined by Ubi". It is just "skipped by you to make a point".

Or how about both? The point being not buying broken unplayable games rendered so by a direct attack on paying customers by the publisher?
OK, OK, Ubisoft sucks, blah blah blah blah blah.
Anyway. RUSE. Beta.
I like it, the whole ruses you can do to trick the opponent into thinking you have a base about three sectors away from where you actually have one, then distracting them long enough to bomb their base up, finding out it's not a real one either, having a wild goose chase to find it, running out of money, then having to make some money from building an administrative building, just a very cool experience.
It's also very well optimized, I could run it at a decent frame rate at native resolution (1366 x 768) on my laptop on medium, or have fancy smooth transitions and decrease texture levels to low.
But I still won't buy it.
Post edited March 10, 2010 by michaelleung
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Gundato: And how was AC2 ruined by the DRM, outside of people who couldn't connect to the server over the weekend while they were ironing out the bugs? Just chalk that up to how so few games are released in playable states these days.
I don't like the DRM-model any more than you guys, but the game isn't being ruined by it. Maybe our enjoyment is (because we feel the need to boycott on principle), but the game itself is fairly untouched. Especially for an MP-oriented game.
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Delixe: Have you not been paying attention to the gaming media? The Steam forums? The Ubi forums? The thread you yourself have commented on here?
The game has been ruined as hardly anyone has been able to play it properly for 4 days. Ubisoft are more concerned with telling people how effective their system is and updating the DRM servers to stop legal owners trying to play. Ubi's version of effective DRM is that NOBODY can play the game.
There have been so far 140,000 page views on the Ubi forums JUST in the specific game launching problems threads. There are a great many more complaints on there and on Steam. A little more than the 5% minority Ubisoft claim have been affected by this.

And again, I cite games like Borderlands (which didn't really have working MP until a few weeks ago :p), almost anything by Troika, and countless other games.
Face it, we get buggy pieces of crap. This was a particularly bad one, but so be it.
And since the only complaints I have seen (admittedly, I don't follow things to the same degree that most of the other boycotters do :p) are about not being able to connect/authenticate, I actually don't see that being a problem in a few weeks. Ubi upgrades their servers, and it is shiny.
Hell, look at ArmA. That was pretty much non-playable for the first few months (unless you were willing to put up with all the bugs and poor performance), but it still has a following. I think a few of the recent MMOs were the same (admittedly, they never really recovered).
I wouldn't say that Bohemia not knowing how to optimize anything ruined ArmA. It just led to a really unsatisfying (and frustrating) launch.
Hell, Bad Company 2's MP is overloaded as hell. That game ain't ruined :p
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Gundato: And since the only complaints I have seen (admittedly, I don't follow things to the same degree that most of the other boycotters do :p) are about not being able to connect/authenticate, I actually don't see that being a problem in a few weeks. Ubi upgrades their servers, and it is shiny.

Firstly you can take that snarky comment and shove it. People are following this issue because anyone interested in the future of PC gaming SHOULD be interested in it. I'm not interested in AC2, I have no intention of buying AC2 but I have no reason to see Ubi succeed with this DRM abomination as eventually a publisher will release a game I want using this. The fact you are not even interested and not really following this issue shows how misguided all your comments are. You are doing exactly what Ubisoft did a few weeks ago. Calling us all idiots and saying we don't have all the facts. Guess what? We do now.
Post edited March 10, 2010 by Delixe
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Gundato: And since the only complaints I have seen (admittedly, I don't follow things to the same degree that most of the other boycotters do :p) are about not being able to connect/authenticate, I actually don't see that being a problem in a few weeks. Ubi upgrades their servers, and it is shiny.
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Delixe: Firstly you can take that snarky comment and shove it. People are following this issue because anyone interested in the future of PC gaming SHOULD be interested in it. I'm not interested in AC2, I have no intention of buying AC2 but I have no reason to see Ubi succeed with this DRM abomination as eventually a publisher will release a game I want using this. The fact you are not even interested and not really following this issue shows how misguided all your comments are. You are doing exactly what Ubisoft did a few weeks ago. Calling us all idiots and saying we don't have all the facts. Guess what? We do now.

Then in that case: Please, oh fan of Kevin Smith, enlighten me as to what the problems with AC2 are :p
Because all I have seen are people who can't connect. While that does ruin their experience for now, it is also something that can be fixed.
Clearly, you are very touchy on this subject and take anything that is not "We need to go buy some AK47s in the mail, form a militia, and attack Ubi" as being a "with them" mentality. I am more of the "I did what I can, I am going to go enjoy the PC gaming that we are supposedly trying to protect" mentality. Although, if we DO go on a raid against Ubi, give me a heads-up. I wants to play with my potato cannon :p (yeah, yeah. I know. "shove it" :p)
But dropping the political BS. Dropping that this is Ubi. Dropping that these problems are caused by DRM. Is this all that different from a lot of other launches? Game effectively unplayable for a large portion of the userbase (maybe larger than usual, but whatever). And all the users can do is wait for a patch (admittedly, they won't need to apply this one. Probably). It is pretty sad when this is par for the course, but it is.
Again, don't get me wrong, I want this to fail. And I think that the current problems are going a long way toward that. But I also am not going to sit and pretend that Desmond/Whatever The italian Assassin is called are sitting in a corner and crying because the big-bad DRM raped them. The game itself isn't affected by this, only the user's ability to play it.
And in the case of RUSE, we really can't even argue that one. It is a multiplayer oriented RTS. It is like complaining that we need to have a connection to Steam to play L4D2. I am annoyed that I wouldn't have been able to play SP without said connection, but it is a lot more tolerable with this kind of game.
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Gundato: Then in that case: Please, oh fan of Kevin Smith, enlighten me as to what the problems with AC2 are :p

I would love to know how my being a fan of Kevin Smith has ANYTHING at all to do with this issue? I'm also a big fan of Transformers: The Movie, Red Dwarf and Blackadder. Does this give you more to comment on?
As for your comments:
A game being unplayable on release is not uncommon no. However a game being made unplayable by the DRM used by the publisher is extremely uncommon and in the past has always cause a huge backlash by customers. Why should Ubisoft be the exception? Bad Company 2 has had problems but ONLY with multiplayer and EA have been constantly in contact with customers via servers, websites, Facebook and Twitter about downtimes and when services will be restored. In all the downtime people can still play the game SP. With AC2 there has been nothing official from Ubisoft except for a few flustered forum moderators and one close to nervous breakdown Twitter monkey. In a this time a large proportion of their customers have been unable to play the game AT ALL.
With RUSE again you are missing my point. In almost all MP game you are authenticated when you log in and then you can play as long as you wish until you log out. With UbiDRM your systems authenticates CONSTANTLY. If your system for whatever reason misses one of this call to home checks then you are dumped to the title screen or in some cases CTD. If you don't see the difference I can't help you.
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Gundato: Then in that case: Please, oh fan of Kevin Smith, enlighten me as to what the problems with AC2 are :p
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Delixe: Transformers: The Movie

Oh come on.
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michaelleung: Oh come on.

The 1985 animated movie. Not that Michael Bay travesty.
Post edited March 10, 2010 by Delixe
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michaelleung: Oh come on.
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Delixe: The 1985 animated movie. Not that Michael Bay travesty.

Oh good. That was pretty awesome. There apparently was a Blu Ray version, which is probably the bestest thing ever.
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michaelleung: Oh good. That was pretty awesome. There apparently was a Blu Ray version, which is probably the bestest thing ever.

I have it it's not. Metrodome consider 5.1DTS an 'extra'. It's a very empty Bluray with a rather poor master.
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michaelleung: Oh good. That was pretty awesome. There apparently was a Blu Ray version, which is probably the bestest thing ever.
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Delixe: I have it it's not. Metrodome consider 5.1DTS an 'extra'. It's a very empty Bluray with a rather poor master.

Well do they sell the 20th Anniversary DVD anywhere?