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Cormoran: Quick question from someone who's never played the game, does the main character actually go around bare chested with a painted cross and what looks like the result of an accident during olympic ribbon twirling tryouts? He looks like he's trying way too hard to be some super cool Christian version of Kratos.
Yes

http://img7.gram.pl/20100205175314.jpg
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pds41: It does highlight the ridiculous double standards of the modern world doesn't it?
Indeed. If someone dares to raise the issue of the portrayal of women in games, you'd think that they had gone around and horribly mutilated someone's children from the outrage that ensues.

Meanwhile, the whole gaming culture would actually benefit if there were less female versions of Fabios, Justin Biebers and sparkly vampires around.


Relevant: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6734-Accepting-the-Isms
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pds41: It does highlight the ridiculous double standards of the modern world doesn't it?
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Mrstarker: Indeed. If someone dares to raise the issue of the portrayal of women in games, you'd think that they had gone around and horribly mutilated someone's children from the outrage that ensues.

Meanwhile, the whole gaming culture would actually benefit if there were less female versions of Fabios, Justin Biebers and sparkly vampires around.

Relevant: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6734-Accepting-the-Isms
He's so full of shit. I literally just watched two of his videos

Fake Nerd Girls, where he implied it's none of my business and "so what" if they are dressing up even though they are not gamers and just want attention and money

Booth Babes where he was so fucking concerned about sexism, because women are doing the same fucking thing FOR MONEY.

like it's super cool that Jessica Nigri is earning money by dressing up as video game characters, but if she did it as a booth babe - FUCKING SEXISM!

edit2: also, he's fucking lazy. In every of his videos about "sexism" he uses clips from eXtreme Beach volleyball. You can't get more lazy.
Post edited December 02, 2013 by keeveek
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And another one:

Gay romance is shoehorned in Bioware games - "so what, you don't need to choose your Shepard to be gay, it doesn't affect you at all"

at the same time

ROMANCE IN MASS EFFECT GAMES IS IMMATURE AND SEXIST BLAH BLAH BLAH, somehoew this time, an ability to choose NOT TO pursue a romance in ME games is irrelevant, because it's offensive to someone and feels hamfisted.

god fucking damn it.
Post edited December 02, 2013 by keeveek
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pds41: It's like those "revenge porn" websites. If a guy puts up a picture of a girl, it's outrageous. If a girl puts up a picture of a guy, all her friends are "You go girl!"
Wait, there are people who post nude images of people they are friends with as "revenge"?

Humanity is a revolting abomination.
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Mrstarker: Indeed. If someone dares to raise the issue of the portrayal of women in games, you'd think that they had gone around and horribly mutilated someone's children from the outrage that ensues.

Meanwhile, the whole gaming culture would actually benefit if there were less female versions of Fabios, Justin Biebers and sparkly vampires around.

Relevant: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6734-Accepting-the-Isms
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keeveek: He's so full of shit. I literally just watched two of his videos

Fake Nerd Girls, where he implied it's none of my business and "so what" if they are dressing up even though they are not gamers and just want attention and money

Booth Babes where he was so fucking concerned about sexism, because women are doing the same fucking thing FOR MONEY.

like it's super cool that Jessica Nigri is earning money by dressing up as video game characters, but if she did it as a booth babe - FUCKING SEXISM!

edit2: also, he's fucking lazy. In every of his videos about "sexism" he uses clips from eXtreme Beach volleyball. You can't get more lazy.
He keeps using that example even though who the fuck still plays that game to this day and fuck if a new game releases right now there would be outrage and sales would be low as hell.
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Roman5: The whole "debate" over this whole thing summed up in one picture
Except for the fact that women don't like men looking all beefy and meathead looking, I never seen a woman who likes male characters like Kratos and Guile, or Marcus Fenix.

Women like guys like this:

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/18100000/Kyoya-and-Tamaki-yaoi-18196199-1024-768.jpg

And they did the same to Leon Kennedy, Danny Phantom,Monkey D. Luffy, and so on.
Post edited December 02, 2013 by Elmofongo
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pds41: It's like those "revenge porn" websites. If a guy puts up a picture of a girl, it's outrageous. If a girl puts up a picture of a guy, all her friends are "You go girl!"
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Crosmando: Wait, there are people who post nude images of people they are friends with as "revenge"?

Humanity is a revolting abomination.
Yeah - it's been on the news over here a fair bit recently. Apparently they're trying to ban the sites. Not that it'll make any difference.
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Roman5: The whole "debate" over this whole thing summed up in one picture
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Elmofongo: Except for the fact that women don't like men looking all beefy and meathead looking, I never seen a woman who likes male characters like Kratos and Guile, or Marcus Fenix.

Women like guys like this:

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/18100000/Kyoya-and-Tamaki-yaoi-18196199-1024-768.jpg

And they did the same to Leon Kennedy, Danny Phantom,Monkey D. Luffy, and so on.
That's a little stereotypical and as a result ironically sexist comment.

Women like all sorts of men, much like men like all sorts of women (add into that every LBGT variation you can think of) each individual likes different things in the people, real or fictional, that they find attractive.

Go to a pro wrestling match and check out just how many women there think the beefy Kratos/Guile/Fenix looking wrestlers are hot.

EDIT: Actually scratch all that, are you being sarcastic? it's getting hard to spot in this thread, LOL
Post edited December 02, 2013 by Cormoran
That's extremely inaccurate, as the last picture shows a woman playing games being outraged.
From what I've seen, people raising hell over depictions of women are either men who play games (like on RPS) or women who don't play games (like the ones who wrote a "study" on games based on pictures from magazines).
Post edited December 02, 2013 by Vestin
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Elmofongo: Except for the fact that women don't like men looking all beefy and meathead looking, I never seen a woman who likes male characters like Kratos and Guile, or Marcus Fenix.

Women like guys like this:

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/18100000/Kyoya-and-Tamaki-yaoi-18196199-1024-768.jpg

And they did the same to Leon Kennedy, Danny Phantom,Monkey D. Luffy, and so on.
Uh...no. Women like all kinds of men, especially well toned men and rigid masculine features. The only people I know who like images like you linked to are teenage girls who tend to go for that kind of thing, but not actual grown women. I am not saying women want super steroid using body builders, but well toned athletic men are well in demand.
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Vestin: From what I've seen, people raising hell over depictions of women are either men who play games (like on RPS) or women who don't play games (like the ones who wrote a "study" on games based on pictures from magazines).
Do you have any idea how much time playing and analysing 150 video games in depth would take? There are studies where the researchers played the video games, but you'd just complain about small sample size or the fact that they didn't complete every one of them or something else.

Also, raising hell? An interviewer asking a question is raising hell? If it wasn't for this thread here growing umpteen pages long, I'd never even heard about it. It's thanks to people who complain about the complainers that there's a spotlight on these issues.


Edit: like with Anita Sarkeesian: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6264-Anita-Sarkeesian-The-Monster-Gamers-Created
Post edited December 02, 2013 by Mrstarker
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pds41: It's like those "revenge porn" websites. If a guy puts up a picture of a girl, it's outrageous. If a girl puts up a picture of a guy, all her friends are "You go girl!"
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Crosmando: Wait, there are people who post nude images of people they are friends with as "revenge"?

Humanity is a revolting abomination.
Indeed. :(
AHAHAHAHAHAHA so true but the pic doesn't show you the whole picture. The pic doesn't include white knights and feminist women who don't play games. The pic also doesn't include the sane women, who don't mind seeing sexed up females in video games.
Post edited December 02, 2013 by monkeydelarge
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keeveek: He's so full of shit. I literally just watched two of his videos

Fake Nerd Girls, where he implied it's none of my business and "so what" if they are dressing up even though they are not gamers and just want attention and money

Booth Babes where he was so fucking concerned about sexism, because women are doing the same fucking thing FOR MONEY.

like it's super cool that Jessica Nigri is earning money by dressing up as video game characters, but if she did it as a booth babe - FUCKING SEXISM!

edit2: also, he's fucking lazy. In every of his videos about "sexism" he uses clips from eXtreme Beach volleyball. You can't get more lazy.
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Elmofongo: He keeps using that example even though who the fuck still plays that game to this day and fuck if a new game releases right now there would be outrage and sales would be low as hell.
You wanna know what the real irony of DoA Volleyball was? My sister and her friends, females all of them, fucking LOVED that game. >.>

Minigames, outfits, accessorizing, volleyball. Basically, that game got men to play dolls by distracting them with jiggly parts. :3
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Mrstarker: Do you have any idea how much time playing and analysing 150 video games in depth would take?
Are you suggesting that scientific research takes effort?
No, sorry, I guess you're suggesting that it shouldn't...

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Mrstarker: Also, raising hell? An interviewer asking a question is raising hell?
"Asking a question" ? "Asking" a question? Hardly.
We tried to take them seriously, you know. At least some of us have. Decent PC gaming news are hard to come by.
Their necrophiliac, Dead Island thing pissed me off. PAX boycott got me thinking about RPS boycott. Harassing BLIZZARD, my beloved guys, over issues RPS themselves claim DO NOT exist, yet they MAY at some point in the future? Issues that are nonsensical, made up, and pinned blindly on whatever they can find? Screw this. I've had enough.
They're not helping anyone. If they think they are - they're delusional. If they know they're not - they're ruthless opportunists. They sicken me. The assumption is that people are too dumb to think for themselves; it's that women are too weak to speak up for themselves; it's that a female character should be judged based on looks, while males can be based on actions; it's that female body, when revealed, eclipses everything else; it's that it's only sexual; it's that only men want to see that; it's that such depictions are INAPPROPRIATE. It's all nonsense.
Meanwhile I have my mom calling me periodically to announce what lovely, skimpy set of clothes she found to stransmog her priest's robes into... or her paladin's armor... or her shaman's clothes... or her warrior's plate... When I told her about this topic, prompted for opinion, I've heard what I have posted here, almost word for word. The only innovative thought was that she pities me for living in such times, because back in her days women could be sexy without any men trying to tell them what to wear. As I tried to ripost that this is about depictions, not actual women, I felt the issue making even less sense.

I honestly don't know what to tell you at this point. If you still want to prove things to me, show me a girl gamer who feels depressed by female depictions in video games. I'll give her a hug, take her to dinner, talk things out, and clear her mind... free of charge.