Posted December 01, 2013
DAlancole
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keeveek
NOPE
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granny
smeg head
Registered: Jan 2010
From United Kingdom
Posted December 01, 2013
Although I may regret posting in this thread...
I found this talk quite interesting (assuming everything she says is accurate, and given it's been given at a law school, why wouldn't it?):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqOTj9NDv80
I found this talk quite interesting (assuming everything she says is accurate, and given it's been given at a law school, why wouldn't it?):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqOTj9NDv80
F4LL0UT
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Registered: Jun 2011
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Tza
Grumpy Beholder
Registered: Jun 2010
From France
Posted December 01, 2013
Eating disorders are not solely a woman issue when 20% of anorexics are men. Body shaming is not solely a woman issue when skinny men, fat men and insecure men are also oppressed by the actual body standards. When confronted to these grave problems you have to consider the victim, regardless of the gender.
A sad consequence of this one-sided way of thinking: domestic violences against men are still viewed as uncommon or highly improbable even if numerous reports proved the contrary. Men who complain of being attacked at home are often ignored by the police who prefer to believe that a woman is the real victim. There are very limited refuge places available for men who have experienced domestic abuse, most of the women refuges refusing men.
Equality in rights but inequality in repression and consideration, based on a stereotype. And these sorts of discriminations exist for both men and women.
A problem being more prevalent to the female population doesn't mean that it becomes negligible when it also touches the male population. And vice versa.
So, when I hear "women problems are more important than those of men", it makes me frown. Everyone should be treated equally when confronted to suffering and injustices.
Post edited December 01, 2013 by Tza
Rusty_Gunn
I like big bots
Registered: Sep 2013
From United States
Posted December 01, 2013
to add to the ridiculousness of the situation you list
US Breast Cancer Statistics - CDC
2010 - US Breast Cancer death statistics
Women - 40,996
Men - 439
Total - 41435
US Lung Cancer Statistics - CDC
2010 - US Lung Cancer death statistics
Women - 70,550
Men - 87,698
Total -158,248
Now guess which one gets all the attention---
US Breast Cancer Statistics - CDC
2010 - US Breast Cancer death statistics
Women - 40,996
Men - 439
Total - 41435
US Lung Cancer Statistics - CDC
2010 - US Lung Cancer death statistics
Women - 70,550
Men - 87,698
Total -158,248
Now guess which one gets all the attention---
htown1980
feminist gamer
Registered: Jul 2011
From Australia
Posted December 01, 2013
US Breast Cancer Statistics - CDC
2010 - US Breast Cancer death statistics
Women - 40,996
Men - 439
Total - 41435
US Lung Cancer Statistics - CDC
2010 - US Lung Cancer death statistics
Women - 70,550
Men - 87,698
Total -158,248
Now guess which one gets all the attention---
keeveek
NOPE
Registered: Dec 2009
From Poland
htown1980
feminist gamer
Registered: Jul 2011
From Australia
hedwards
buy Evil Genius
Registered: Nov 2008
From United States
Posted December 01, 2013
I found this talk quite interesting (assuming everything she says is accurate, and given it's been given at a law school, why wouldn't it?):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqOTj9NDv80
But, it's definitely true that there's a war against boys in the US. I had to sit through countless feminist propaganda lectures that were disguised as talks on gender equality, but were laced with unsubstantiated wankering on about how bad women have it, without any actual evidence being given. The citations would be taken out of context and no time was given to consider whether or not any of the figures were true.
Eating disorders are not solely a woman issue when 20% of anorexics are men. Body shaming is not solely a woman issue when skinny men, fat men and insecure men are also oppressed by the actual body standards. When confronted to these grave problems you have to consider the victim, regardless of the gender.
A sad consequence of this one-sided way of thinking: domestic violences against men are still viewed as uncommon or highly improbable even if numerous reports proved the contrary. Men who complain of being attacked at home are often ignored by the police who prefer to believe that a woman is the real victim. There are very limited refuge places available for men who have experienced domestic abuse, most of the women refuges refusing men.
Equality in rights but inequality in repression and consideration, based on a stereotype. And these sorts of discriminations exist for both men and women.
A problem being more prevalent to the female population doesn't mean that it becomes negligible when it also touches the male population. And vice versa.
So, when I hear "women problems are more important than those of men", it makes me frown. Everyone should be treated equally when confronted to suffering and injustices.
Likewise 1/3 of girls being subjected to sexual abuse by puberty is an outrage, but 1/5 of boys is sort of just collateral damage and not really worth worrying about.
It demeans everybody who has been treated like that to have the advocates applying double standards. Either it's a serious issue or it's not. There's not going to be a solution to any of this as long as it's a tool that women use to abuse men with.
Post edited December 01, 2013 by hedwards
Vestin
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Registered: Sep 2008
From Poland
Posted December 01, 2013
Research suggests that exposure to physical appearance
ideals in the media are connected with poor body image
(Dohnt & Tiggemann 2006; Tiggemann and McGill 2004)
and self-destructive behaviors such as pathogenic dieting
practices (Thomsen et al. 2002). Media also exert a strong
influence on male body image, as stereotypes of hypermasculinity
are connected with the drive for muscularity,
motivating boys and young men to engage in unhealthy
practices such as compulsive weight training and illegal
steroid use (Smolak and Stein 2006).
I guess this explains why gamers are so obsessed with their physical fitness ;). ideals in the media are connected with poor body image
(Dohnt & Tiggemann 2006; Tiggemann and McGill 2004)
and self-destructive behaviors such as pathogenic dieting
practices (Thomsen et al. 2002). Media also exert a strong
influence on male body image, as stereotypes of hypermasculinity
are connected with the drive for muscularity,
motivating boys and young men to engage in unhealthy
practices such as compulsive weight training and illegal
steroid use (Smolak and Stein 2006).
Similarly, exposure to a highly sexual media diet increases the risk of early sexual activity (Brown
et al. 2006).
Hold on - "risk"? Since when is sex a bad thing 0_o? et al. 2006).
Either way - I guess this explains why people who play a lot of video games have sex often, starting out early. Especially if they "hold more stereotypical attitudes about gender", as mentioned earlier...
Males exposed to advertisements featuring women portrayed as sex objects subsequently show greater rape-supportive attitudes (...)
OK - it's all downhill from here, I refuse to believe a word they say beyond this point. Seriously - "rape-supportive attitudes"? Just casually used as a term?
(...) found a positive correlation between violent video game playing and endorsement of rape myths, including the myths that women secretly want to be raped and that sometimes women “deserve” to be
raped.
You know - I think deciding to stop reading after the previous sentence was a good call. No way I am going a step further. I can take bishop Berkeley seriously, or even give the theories of David Lewis the benefit of doubt, but gamers being "pro-rape" simply doesn't "click". I won't even bother verifying the methodology and numbers of that previous study - if your conclusions are insane, it's your responsibility to say "I know this sounds crazy, but I have solid evidence for the sky being purple!". Mentioning such absurds in passing is simply insulting. raped.
If it is ideal - duh, no wonder it's unattainable.
Side note: if absurdly fat Americans are exposed to absurdly slim video game characters, "perhaps I should lose some weight" may not be a bad call.
the ideal male body is attainable for most men.
Well, gee - I guess that explains why I'm so fit and pretty, with my long, luscious hair mimicking my virtual idols ;P... I... don't remember. Perhaps the world of academia IS a bubble after all ;P. On the other hand - I have not really seen FAT fat people all that often in my life.
People get insulted for not conforming to social norms inconsistently and by stupid people... Alright, I think we've wrapped this entire debate up :).
hedwards
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Registered: Nov 2008
From United States
Posted December 01, 2013
+1 good post.
I get the feeling that "rape supportive" means not buying into the extreme views being held by advocates. The truth is that rape is a category and there's things that are technically rape where the survivor doesn't consider it to be a big deal, to ones that leave a person scarred physically and emotionally for life.
I've noticed that advocates tend to marginalize people who were raped or sexually abused who refuse to toe the line. As if their experiences are any less valid than the more graphic ones. Which is unfortunate, because it leads to an active disincentive for a lot of those crimes to be reported and it also distorts the public awareness campaigns to focus on relatively rare attacks rather than the typically more common date and acquaintance rape problems.
I get the feeling that "rape supportive" means not buying into the extreme views being held by advocates. The truth is that rape is a category and there's things that are technically rape where the survivor doesn't consider it to be a big deal, to ones that leave a person scarred physically and emotionally for life.
I've noticed that advocates tend to marginalize people who were raped or sexually abused who refuse to toe the line. As if their experiences are any less valid than the more graphic ones. Which is unfortunate, because it leads to an active disincentive for a lot of those crimes to be reported and it also distorts the public awareness campaigns to focus on relatively rare attacks rather than the typically more common date and acquaintance rape problems.
Kennethor
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Registered: Mar 2013
From Sweden
keeveek
NOPE
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From Poland
Kennethor
Old user
Registered: Mar 2013
From Sweden
Posted December 01, 2013
This conversaton has turned into a boys agreeing with other boys about women and how they feel and are.
Like I've said, who are we to tell if women are complaining to much about their exposure in games as an example?
I can dig up several things that show that women are extremly objectified in just games, but nobody here would change opinion or attitude.
Take what happened at Dreamhack for example, a woman shoved a banana down her throat and was then covered in milk by a man while the guys in the crowd cheered. How can somebody say that this is not twisted?