timppu: You are suggesting that men are never oppressed and women never favored.

Not true at least here in Finland (which actually was recently rated as the second-most equal (between genders) country in the whole wide world, right after Iceland). As a simple example, women here get much more free medical treatment and examinations than men.

Prostatic cancer is one of the most common cancers here (about as high as breast cancer on women), but because it affects only men, there are no free, public screenings for it. At the same time, women get free screenings for breast cancer, carcinoma squamocellulare (cervical cancer), soon there will be free papilloma virus vaccinations for women etc.

At the same time, many older men are denied even treatment for prostatic cancer which is found out too late, because it is reckoned they might die for other reasons, before prostatic cancer kills them. How nice.

Another example: women are clearly favored in courts, especially concerning custodial disputes.

Third example: Feminist keep saying that "men's euro is women't 80 cents" (ie. women in general get only 80% or so salary compared to men), but then they choose to forget that:

- men work much longer hours than women

- the pension system strongly favors women, as men die much younger (for prostatic cancer and working too hard)

While I agree that overall women are worse off than men, it is "men's issues" like these that these feminists are largely dismissing. Like saying that coming up with them is trying to deny that "women are oppressed".

keeveek: That's seriously fucked up. And you'd wonder why men live shorter than women...

Poland is even more fucked, though, because even if you are paying for public health insurance, you still have to pay for examinations. Prostate exam and breast exam are free only after you turn 50yo, which usually means too fucking late.

I guess public health care is always fucked up, but in different ways in different countries.

hedwards: There's health risks associated with doing screenings on people that aren't at risk. Mammograms have a similar problem, screening women to frequently and too young causes more cases of breast cancer than they pick up.

Kennethor: Made up facts? Do any of these things bother you at all?

Kennethor: Why do you even talk about things that you say yourself, don't know anything about?

WBGhiro: Why would it bother me what someone wrote in a picture? You might want to check facebook or something like that out because then you could be bothered all day. If it was actually the truth then it wouldn't be troublesome, it would mean society itself turned into a bunch of savage barbarians raping everything that moves.

WBGhiro: Because we're on a forum on the internet. what else is there to do?

I guess you're of a more noble breeding than I am, which is why you got such a huge horse you ride around, from which you can conveniently see who needs to be belittled and who the poor victims in need of social justice are. Who abviously can't help themselves in any way.

Vestin: There's only one explanation - these poor girls got brainwashed into thinking that this is OK! The patriarchy got to them before the forces of good could...
Alternatively - you could argue that SOME girls are NOT playing MOBA games. The reason? I think it's fairly obvious - inhumane depiction of female champions.

keeveek: Ok, so mammographs are risky, but what about cervix cancer and prostate cancer? There's even a "joke" that medical students go on trips to Poland to see how cervical cancer looks like. And it's exactly because exams are not "free". By not free I mean even if you are working with public health insurance, you still have to pay extra.

This is not about sexism or lack thereof, but about public health care in Poland which is the primary reason why prostatic cancer and cervical cancer are so dangerous here even though in most developped countries it's a marginal issue (at least the cervical cancer)

hedwards: I'm not sure how they screen for cervical cancer.

Red_Avatar: Then there's a group who doesn't mind and last you have a minority that is put off by it. So the question then is: if only a minority is against and a large amount of people is in favour, why should this minority get the upper hand?

WBGhiro: Becuase pictures with made up facts on them are a proper argument now?

1 in 6 women raped? 97% of all rapists never spent a day in prison? The ominous Patriarchy?

You can tell me i don't know anything all you want, I'd rather not know anything than reading something someone pulle dout of the deep recesses of his anal cavity and thinking i'm educated now.

hedwards: EDIT: Not that I'm suggesting that this is a legitimate reason to avoid screening for cervical cancer if the rates are that high. That would imply inadequate screening.

Siannah: 97% of rapists will never spend a day in jail - coming from studies about only 3% of those physically or sexual abused actually reporting the abuse to authority figures. See the report I linked above or check RAINN "the nation's largest anti-sexual violence organization.
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Kennethor: And that would'nt be troublesome!? Just because people don't get raped all the time does'nt mean that the rapes that do happen are less terrible. I'm guessing you have'nt met anyone who have gotten raped or sexually assaulted? Am I right?

Kennethor: Yeah, you're right. I should just watch when other people suffer and do nothing?

Red_Avatar: Yes but in any argument it's about numbers. There's two groups of people who like female characters to be sexy:
- most male gamers
- a large part of the female gamer population

Then there's a group who doesn't mind and last you have a minority that is put off by it. So the question then is: if only a minority is against and a large amount of people is in favour, why should this minority get the upper hand? THAT is the problem with modern society - and that's what is happening in the Netherlands right now with the whole Sinterklaas and Zwarte Piet debate. Millions of Dutch people want Zwarte Piet to remain, a small minority, maybe 1% of the population, wants Zwarte Piet to go - and guess who organisations pander to? And guess which part of the population doesn't even GO to Sinterklaas shows? It's fucking pathetic and ridiculous. The amount of feminists that are against sexy characters, in a similar way, mostly don't give a shit about games with or without sexy characters, so how does it even matter? (and all sorts of polls have shown this time and time again)

WBGhiro: Well thanks, rape is terrible, no shit. You know what else is terrible? what happens to people if they get to court because of it, and by all means they deserve it. And what more do we have to do? We give the victim support, we punish and shame the asshole who did it, and make sure it's regarded as one of the worst crimes right next to murder. What fucking else do we have to do to make the system less misogynistc?

WBGhiro: Then go to a third world country and do somehting. Minorieties in europe or america don't suffer, sure life sucks for them just as everyone elses: They might not get the job they wanted because they're black and the employer is a cunt who doesn't like them. The same happened to the fat guy, the woman, and the perfect white guy who finally got his privilege unchecked.

If they really get harassed in any way. there are protected by law, and if that' snot enough they can all rally together and have a nice protest.

What they probably don't need is some onlooker who doesn't have any idea of what happening but thinks he's Captain White Man Savior of Minorieties and has to remind everyone what they should be offended by.