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DaCostaBR: Joe won that interview. Taking away the other's microphone and changing the subject of every question with "the future!" or "the cloud!" instead of answering them, isn't "owning" anyone, it's showing the world how desperate you are.
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langurmonkey: But his "the future!' and "the cloud" worked. Major Nelson messed things up for AngryJoe.
How did it work? All he did was interrupt the guy. Yes, he got Joe to change the subject once he saw he wouldn't get a straight answer, but all Joe wanted was to inform his viewers, and inform he did by showing how unprepared they were to answer any real question. On the other hand, what Nelson wanted was to convince people to buy his product, but he convinced neither Joe nor anyone watching the interview, therefore he lost.
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langurmonkey: Lets stop arguing about who owned who. This is something cultural.
Why do you keep hammering on and on about culture? you manage to shoehorn it in somehow in every topic. You do know that that we pretty much all have the same western culture anyways (the biggest variation being local dishes and love of guns. I kid I kid, but most western cultures are pretty much identical nowadays)?
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langurmonkey: But his "the future!' and "the cloud" worked. Major Nelson messed things up for AngryJoe.
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DaCostaBR: How did it work? All he did was interrupt the guy. Yes, he got Joe to change the subject once he saw he wouldn't get a straight answer, but all Joe wanted was to inform his viewers, and inform he did by showing how unprepared they were to answer any real question. On the other hand, what Nelson wanted was to convince people to buy his product, but he convinced neither Joe nor anyone watching the interview, therefore he lost.
I thought Joe wanted to get answers from Major Nelson for his viewers. Major Nelson didn't give him any answers while constantly promoting the XBOX ONE as something for great for families, something of the FUTURE. Major Nelson's responses also could not be argued because everything Major Nelson said is true. I think Major Nelson was being really smart. Major Nelson didn't give any answers that would make the XBOX ONE look bad. So he stopped Joe. What he did worked. Answering without answering, while at the same time, promoting the XBOX ONE and getting AngryJoe to join in on the promoting.
Post edited June 30, 2013 by langurmonkey
To be honest I felt both were equally unprofessional and douchey

The difference here is that Joe at least meant well
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langurmonkey: Lets stop arguing about who owned who. This is something cultural.
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WBGhiro: Why do you keep hammering on and on about culture? you manage to shoehorn it in somehow in every topic. You do know that that we pretty much all have the same western culture anyways (the biggest variation being local dishes and love of guns. I kid I kid, but most western cultures are pretty much identical nowadays)?
because almost everything comes down to culture. If you watch some Star Trek, you will start to get it. And arguing what is right and what is wrong when something is cultural is fucking pointless. It is like arguing, which tastes better, vanilla or chocolate. So whenever I'm arguing something with someone and I realize, we are arguing, not what is fact and what is not but something cultural, I think it is best the argument ends. No, we do not all have the same western culture. There may be one culture dominating in the west but that is not my culture. In fact, I think that culture is inferior to mine and should be replaced with mine. Then the western world would be a better place.
Post edited June 30, 2013 by langurmonkey
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DaCostaBR: How did it work? All he did was interrupt the guy. Yes, he got Joe to change the subject once he saw he wouldn't get a straight answer, but all Joe wanted was to inform his viewers, and inform he did by showing how unprepared they were to answer any real question. On the other hand, what Nelson wanted was to convince people to buy his product, but he convinced neither Joe nor anyone watching the interview, therefore he lost.
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langurmonkey: I thought Joe wanted to get answers from Major Nelson for his viewers. Major Nelson didn't give him any answers while constantly promoting the XBOX ONE as something for great for families, something of the FUTURE.
You act like his nonsense wasn't an answer, anyone hearing a salesman change the subject when asked about something bad in their product knows it means one of two things: either it's absolutely true or they have no idea what they're talking about.

As for him promoting his console by shouting buzzwords, I ask: were people convinced or put off buying an Xbox because of it? From what you can see in the comments in the video or other forums in which this was posted. If you see people saying this changed their minds about the console for the better, then I'll grant that Nelson was the winner, if the opposite is true then he lost.
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langurmonkey: I thought Joe wanted to get answers from Major Nelson for his viewers. Major Nelson didn't give him any answers while constantly promoting the XBOX ONE as something for great for families, something of the FUTURE. Major Nelson's responses also could not be argued because everything Major Nelson said is true. I think Major Nelson was being really smart.
And then Microsoft reversed it's decisions on much of what he was trying to hype up. Hence the link I posted was basically a whole half hour of Angry Joe laughing his arse off at Major Nelsons answers. All of that and Joe wasn't even expecting to get an interview at all. It wasn't even Major Nelson shutting the interview down, it was the PR people behind the camera who were crapping themselves that there was this no-name with a camera asking questions that they cancelled their post show talks to avoid getting asked.
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DaCostaBR: If you see people saying this changed their minds about the console for the better, then I'll grant that Nelson was the winner, if the opposite is true then he lost.
But what if Star Trek says different?
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stika: To be honest I felt both were equally unprofessional and douchey

The difference here is that Joe at least meant well
Joe was being douchey? How?
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DaCostaBR: If you see people saying this changed their minds about the console for the better, then I'll grant that Nelson was the winner, if the opposite is true then he lost.
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grviper: But what if Star Trek says different?
Go fuck yourself. So what if I'm a fan of Star Trek and suggest people go watch it to understand my words, better?
Post edited June 30, 2013 by langurmonkey
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langurmonkey: because almost everything comes down to culture.
Not really I think, sure the culture you come from probably gives you some traits and makes you more tolerant or intolerant of certain things. but in general humans can pretty easily adapt and accept different cultures, like immigrants or travellers.

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langurmonkey: And arguing what is right and what is wrong when something is cultural is fucking pointless
It's an interview, in what way is this cultural in any degree, I mean if they had been using gestures that have some kind of different meaning for hopi indians I'd get where you are coming from but claimming this is a cultural thing makes no sense at all. Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you can just say "It's my culture. can't argue with that" try with "I disagree"

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langurmonkey: No, we do not all have the same western culture. There may be one culture dominating in the west but that is not my culture.
Right I'm going to guess you were born in the US of A. You might have some different religious background than other people, but overall you pretty much got the same culture. And no you don't have any "warrior culture". Just no.
Post edited June 30, 2013 by WBGhiro
According to other comments Joe has made, it wasn't Major Nelson who cut the interview - it was his PR handlers offstage. The reason Joe looks so flustered isn't because of Major Nelson, it's because the lady standing behind Major Nelson (who we can't see) is furiously gesturing at him to cut the interview, and Joe is trying to pretend he hasn't seen her. (Edit: Ninja'd by Cormoran)

Without weighing into the "who owned who" debate, I'll just say kudos to Joe for at least managing to get those questions asked, and I hope this little stunt doesn't get him blacklisted.
Post edited June 30, 2013 by Azilut
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langurmonkey: because almost everything comes down to culture.
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WBGhiro: Not really I think, sure the culture you come from probably gives you some traits and makes you more tolerant or intolerant of certain things. but in general humans can pretty easily adapt and accept different cultures, like immigrants or travellers.

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langurmonkey: And arguing what is right and what is wrong when something is cultural is fucking pointless
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WBGhiro: It's an interview, in what way is this cultural in any degree, I mean if they had been using gestures that have some kind of different meaning for hopi indians I'd get where you are coming from but claimming this is a cultural thing makes no sense at all. Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you can just say "It's my culture. can't argue with that" try with "I disagree"

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langurmonkey: No, we do not all have the same western culture. There may be one culture dominating in the west but that is not my culture.
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WBGhiro: Right I'm going to guess you were born in the US of A. You might have some different religious background than other people, but overall you pretty much got the same culture. And no you don't have any "warrior culture". Just no.
People CAN adapt and accept other cultures, so what? Almost everything is still cultural. The way you greet people. What makes you look cool. What makes you look like a loser. How you should treat a woman. How you should treat your children. The list goes on and on. Dress as well as you can and I bet you there are people from different cultures that will see you as dressed like shit. The interview is not cultural but the winner of the interview is determined by which culture you see the interview from... I do have a warrior culture. I'm surprised I'm not in prison... People don't have to automatically accept the culture of their land, you know. They can turn their back on it, and choose their culture... A culture that they understand, a culture that feels right. Of course, the dominant culture I grew up around has rubbed off on me though so I'm not saying, I'm 100% unique.
Post edited June 30, 2013 by langurmonkey
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grviper: But what if Star Trek says different?
Game worked fine for me, game uses Steam Servers. :P
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langurmonkey: People CAN adapt and accept other cultures, so what? Almost everything is still cultural. The way you greet people. What makes you look cool. What makes you look like a loser. How you should treat a woman. How you should treat your children. The list goes on and on. The interview is not cultural but the winner of the interview is determined by which culture you see the interview from... I do have a warrior culture. I'm surprised I'm not in prison... People don't have to automatically accept the culture of their land, you know. They can turn their back on it, and choose their culture... A culture that they understand, a culture that feels right. Of course, the dominant culture I grew up around has rubbed off on me though so I'm not saying, I'm 100% unique.
Why don't you drop all pretenses and just say what you want to say? You're a Klingon now, is that it? Or a viking?
Yeah, to some extent, you could probably compare this to Joe's infamous Spike VGA "interview" with Geoff Keighley, in that Joe was once again going out of his way to play the part of the self-styled crusader for gaming consumers, and ended up with something he may not have fully expected. I think the difference here is that Joe got clearly blindsided by Keighley, where as here he got tripped up by Microsoft's PR crew.

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stika: To be honest I felt both were equally unprofessional and douchey
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langurmonkey: Joe was being douchey? How?
A lot of people don't like Joe frequent leanings towards over-the-top emotional outbursts (which is odd, since he is "Angry Joe", after all), but Joe's never made any pretense to try to be professional; as he often points out, he's just a guy who creates gaming videos on YouTube. I never quite understand it myself; with his Keighley interview, I've read comments where people's perceptions of Joe being "unprofessional" somehow excuses Keighley for being an absolute asshole.

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Azilut: According to other comments Joe has made, it wasn't Major Nelson who cut the interview - it was his PR handlers offstage...Without weighing into the "who owned who" debate, I'll just say kudos to Joe for at least managing to get those questions asked, and I hope this little stunt doesn't get him blacklisted.
I like Joe, if only for the entertainment value of seeing him get ticked off by a game like Battleship or Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. He has good intentions in mind, but his "unprofessionalism" and "douchiness" is part of his gimmick, much like the jaded contrarianism people see in TotalBiscuit or the hyperbolic crassness of Yahtzee Croshaw.

Still, I kind of don't understand his naivete sometimes. Like with his trip to the VGAs, he really should have seen this coming. How could you think about going up to someone like that, and ask the questions you did, and not expect to get cut off like that?
Post edited June 30, 2013 by rampancy