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Nirth: I don't think love is against the rules
One of the early missions as a Jedi Counsellor in TOR concerns a relationship petween two padawans, finding out the truch about their relationship and telling their masters (brings light points and gets them punished), or keeping it secret (brings dark points).

No, the Jedi way is very much "free yourself from emotions, focus on the force", while the Sith/Dark Jedi instead revel in emotions, with anger being the strongest and thus the best way to increase your (destructive) force powers. I suspect "positive" emotions like love would be much better than anger for increasing the potency of similarly aligned force powers (healing and whatnot) (if there is such a thing as alignment regarding pure force powers), but Jedi generally try to avoid emotions.
The look on Yoda's face when he realized something was very wrong after Sidious executed order 66 suggests otherwise. There's no way the Jedi do what they do because they think it's rational to save weak people and defeat power-hungry counter parts. They may not be passionate about personal relationships but what they do they do out of a greater good, love life-philosophy (IMO).
Post edited July 04, 2013 by Nirth
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DavidG88: I wish they'd made more of a return with TOR, especilly those that weren't interbred with dark jedi. An invading Sith army that had no connection to the force would have been interesting.
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Maighstir: Note: I haven't played very far in TOR, and even shorter on the Sith side, so there are lots of things I haven't seen yet (though I'm no stranger to spoilers). But are there even any true Sith left at that point? Haven't they all been assimilated and interbred? ("Even more of a return" suggests there is a return in some form of non-interbred true Sith, care to point me to info about that?)

Besides, unless I remember wrongly, the true Sith were quite force sensitive even before they met with the dark jedi (which was the reason the dark Jedi took an interest in them), so "a Sith army that have no connection to the force" wouldn't really be possible anyway.
Your right on with TOR, they are basically gone from what I understood. The emperor & the empire is their legacy in that game. So they make some return, but as far as a return of the really ancient variety that was kindof my wish before TOR came out. Leading up to TOR I thought there was chance they might return, just because of the earlier game's themes and due to those pure blood Sith having more connection to the Rakata. As well as the mistrust between the galaxy & force users, even the Jedi were hated in those games. And I think the Sith would have good reason to hate the force, they lost their empire, their world, and were almost enslaved by the Rakata.
Many of them like Ada definently were force sensitive before the dark jedi, but I don't know if the number was significantly larger than an average species before all that jedi blood got mixed in. They probably were very force sensitive.
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Nirth: Easiest way to explain it is that the [...]
[...] Sith are constantly fighting each other, because it is the nature of the dark side. Only the strongest shall survive until an even stronger Dark Lord of the Sith comes and defeats his master. And if you're fighting for your whole life you'll earn one or another scar. Read the Darth Bane Trilogy. Good books. They're explaining pretty good what it means to be a Dark Lord of the Sith. And they'll give you a new perspective on Palpatine and what he's doing in Episode 1-3. The new trilogy is the accomplishment of Darth Bane's ideas. The final long term goal of a plan he started a thousand years earlier. The Bane trilogy retroactively made the new trilogy better O.O

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Nirth: I don't think love is against the rules but they live like monks, you're not supposed to be in romantic or sexual relationships as they take away focus of Jedi life.
Love "is" against the rules. Not exactly love, but that what comes with love. Yoda explained it to Anakin who feared to loose his mother (he feared to loose her because he loved her): "Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." And that's exactly what happened to Anakin, when he went to Tatooine to free his mother.

He feared for her live because he loved her. He went looking for her in anger. When she died, he killed the Sand People with all the hate he got for them. And then he suffered because of what he did (you clearly saw his suffering when he confessed everything to Padme). Getting the broken Anakin over to the dark side was a piece of cake for Palpatine. And all that came from love. Love brought him to the dark side and love "saved" him in EP6. Love is a dangerous thing for a Jedi.
Post edited July 04, 2013 by real.geizterfahr
I know about the Sith's survival and power part, they still corrupts themselves with powers derived from the dark side. They like to experiment to find new stuff to revel in. While they may gain scars from their constant fights I still believe that they dabble in stuff like Sith Alchemy where they can tap into areas the Jedi try to avoid because of the dangers with powers that has no limitations.

As for love, what Anakin had was personal relationships, that is against the rules but not the inherent love of life itself and to be part of a cause to help others have it better. The difference between Yoda and Anakin is control. Yoda said Anakin should learn to let go of people that die because Jedi don't believe in death, they rejoin as one with the Force. Now how come they don't just kill themselves and they all become one with the Force then? Love of life, nothing else.

I just want to add that I don't want my words to be taken as facts or true canon, they're just my interpration of the star wars universe.
Because they gyre too much. Also gimbal.
I had no clue this topic would elicit such reaction. :D I'm beginning to think we could write a manual on this. A lot of the answers remind of the book "Swan's Song" where everyone ends up literally transforming to reflect their character. Ugly 'good' people become good looking and good looking 'bad' people become ugly. Maybe McCammon owes Lucas some royalties? :P
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SCPM: Just the artistic direction of most Extended Universe artists/authors I suppose. Though Luke did lose a hand himself and get some scars (after Hamill's accident anyhow), and the whole point of the original saga was the redemption of Anakin (ignoring Episode IV where it was obvious Lucas had no clear long-term ideas for the story). I also like that Anakin/Darth Vader lost his right arm at least 4 times. That's gotta be a record.
I'd be interested in reading about how Episode IV conflicted with the redemption of Anakin. Note, I enjoyed the original trilogy. The prequels to a lesser extent, but still enjoyed them. I'm not a fanboy, but I'm not a trasher either.
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Elmofongo: I don't know, why are Jedi such morally absolute prudes :P

Jedi says there is no passion there is serenity yet aren't they passionate about the Light Side of the Force.

And isn't denouncing love a fear in itself?
Don't ever

EVER

watch equilibrium.
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Elmofongo: I don't know, why are Jedi such morally absolute prudes :P

Jedi says there is no passion there is serenity yet aren't they passionate about the Light Side of the Force.

And isn't denouncing love a fear in itself?
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Telika: Don't ever

EVER

watch equilibrium.
This thing?

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equilibrium_(film]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equilibrium_(film[/url])

If so thanks for the warning.
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Telika: Don't ever

EVER

watch equilibrium.
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Elmofongo: This thing?

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equilibrium_(film]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equilibrium_(film[/url])

If so thanks for the warning.
Yes, it features the most hilarious fictional martial art ever, but it's also full of anti-emotion people being absolutely hysterical about how EMOTIONS ARE THE WORST THING EVERRAA AAAAAAAAARRHHHHHGRLGLLLRHAA.

It's basically Facepalm: The Movie.
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Elmofongo: I don't know, why are Jedi such morally absolute prudes :P

Jedi says there is no passion there is serenity yet aren't they passionate about the Light Side of the Force.

And isn't denouncing love a fear in itself?
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Telika: Don't ever

EVER

watch equilibrium.
Nonsense! Equilibrium is great! Love the bit at the end where the unarmed peasants charge the heavily armed guards, the guards open fire, and NOT ONE FUCKING PEASANT falls. XD Shooting like that is something special indeed!
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Elmofongo: This thing?

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equilibrium_(film]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equilibrium_(film[/url])

If so thanks for the warning.
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Telika: Yes, it features the most hilarious fictional martial art ever, but it's also full of anti-emotion people being absolutely hysterical about how EMOTIONS ARE THE WORST THING EVERRAA AAAAAAAAARRHHHHHGRLGLLLRHAA.

It's basically Facepalm: The Movie.
I enjoyed the movie and there is a reason the bad guys in the movie, found emotions to be evil. Because emotions do lead to a lot of evil things. So I don't see why you find this retarded.
It's because they spend all their money on booze and cocaine instead of hair gels and make-up like the good guys do.
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Telika: Yes, it features the most hilarious fictional martial art ever, but it's also full of anti-emotion people being absolutely hysterical about how EMOTIONS ARE THE WORST THING EVERRAA AAAAAAAAARRHHHHHGRLGLLLRHAA.

It's basically Facepalm: The Movie.
It's a good action movie. And the story is better than in most action movies as well, as unbelievable as it is. And it's another movie in which Sean Bean dies. If you're a fan of his performances to die for, it's a mus watch :P
Post edited July 04, 2013 by keeveek
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Theta_Sigma: Umm, from what I remember, Exar Kun was in no way mutilated, mauled, or injured other than his eventual death in the SWEU. He is actually one of my favourite Sith from the Expanded Universe. :)
Don't forget Asajj Ventress and Darth Maul, they are Sith and they did not get mutialed, disfigured prior to their deaths.