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Posted November 07, 2012
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SimonG: when the economy gets back on track.
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EC-: if it gets back on track. I have my doubts.
It will.
Posted November 07, 2012
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Fesin: i really don't wanna get into a American political debate, but doesn't "Libertarianism" in the US actually mean that the states can tell you what to do, instead of the federal government?
And if I'm right, do people really think that's an improvement?
i live here but i don't bother much with the cultural main. So i might not get the pulse of my country, but i do spend much time observing anything and everything i can see they do. i'm guessing that if the right words were used to explain it, most of my country would support more state control with less federal control. People i meet on the road, from the mom and pops, the rich pukes enamored with my traveling ways and trying to use me as party favor for their friends. Much diversity in our country, i do believe support local decision making versus big decisions made from distant places.

Me personally, i am big time in favor of more local controls. What we need seek want here on the wet side of the Cascade mountains is very different from what our friends on the dry east side need want wish. i'm for the feds doing federal management. With local gov handling local concerns. i am for No-one stepping in to press upon me their own ideals. If i hurt none, then none have business to hurt or impair my pursuits.
Posted November 07, 2012
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mondo84: I didn't, but I'm curious how can you tell? It doesn't say "low-rated".

Unless you are a wizard and know how many upvotes/downvotes are required for it to be high/low.
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Nirth: For a second it said low rated then I reloaded the page and it was gone so I guess a few people uprepped him.
Yeah it was low rated for a few minutes. Pretty ridiculous so I also rated it highly.
Post edited November 07, 2012 by CaptainGyro
Posted November 07, 2012
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stoicsentry: I mean, there's a lot of stuff about the U.S. that understandably rubs people the wrong way. But what's the big deal with the electoral college?
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/11/01/163632378/a-campaign-map-morphed-by-money

It is anachronistic and cuts out many voters of the election. Leading to many problems. Not to mention the democratic issues. (A vote from somebody in Ohio being more important than the vote of somebody in Texas).
Posted November 07, 2012
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ktchong: Fuck Todd "legitimate rape" Akin. Goodbye and good riddance.
I am proud that this asshole did not win.

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WhiteElk: Biggest news for me is that my state made recreational use of marijuana legal! (Washington State) So finally now we might be able to grow some local hemp industries. i have use for it right here on this family land. Is a freedom plant it is, allowing me to craft products that i otherwise would have to buy from rich dicks. And my county can stop wasting money on an unpopular prohibition. i'm still gonna smoke my weed the same i ever did. Now though i might grow my own. But certainly i'm looking at growing me some straight up industrial hemp next spring!!!!
Just remember, it is still illegal by federal law. Might want to play it safe and see how they react.
Post edited November 07, 2012 by Immoli
Posted November 07, 2012
To the topic of Obramney. i see the two party party system as playing all sides against the middle. i come to see the two party system as a farce. And clearly this year proves beyond doubt that we are _currently_ limited to a two party farce. But still, even within this farce our votes are still critical. Our votes, beyond determining who sits in what seats, are also for checking the pulse of our country. Occupy uses "temperature checks" in its democratic assemblies to check how people are feeling about a topic. i see US elections as providing a temp check of sorts. When i voted this year, i was voting for what i did NOT want. Didn't find what i really wanted in gov representation. But i voted clear what i did NOT want!
Posted November 07, 2012
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SimonG: It will.
If it does, it will be in spite of Obama, not because of him. One of the largest single tax increase in U.S. history will occur at the end of this year if the Bush Tax Cuts are not reaffirmed (which Obama has said he will not do). The Federal Reserve here has pretty much been printing money to appease Wall Street and hold off the inevitable (the Fed calls it Quantitative Easing). Obama's policies, or lack thereof, have nearly doubled our national debt in the last 4 years (you can argue that some of this was Bush's doing, but the increase did occur under Obama's watch).

None of these things does a healthy economy make.

The only trouble is that I don't think Romney would have solved this problem either. He would have just pandered and appeased a different set of people. So, yeah... meh. :P
Post edited November 07, 2012 by Krypsyn
Posted November 07, 2012
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Rohan15: Texas.
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Gunsang: In that case I salute your choice.
Umm, because if he lived in a non-swing state it wouldn't be okay for him to vote for the guy he likes...?
Posted November 07, 2012
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ktchong: Mitt Romney is conceding on TV right now.
Really? If so, that shows some class. Not subjecting the country to a month or more of recounts and other wrangling.

Bow out gracefully and HOPEFULLY, this is the last we ever see of Mitt Romney. He's been told twice now that he isn't wanted. Hope he gets the message.

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Immoli: Just remember, it is still illegal by federal law. Might want to play it safe and see how they react.
Ya, that's going to be...interesting...to say the least. But other thought....ROAD TRIP TO COLORADO! :D
Posted November 07, 2012
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WhiteElk: To the topic of Obramney. i see the two party party system as playing all sides against the middle. i come to see the two party system as a farce. And clearly this year proves beyond doubt that we are _currently_ limited to a two party farce. But still, even within this farce our votes are still critical. Our votes, beyond determining who sits in what seats, are also for checking the pulse of our country. Occupy uses "temperature checks" in its democratic assemblies to check how people are feeling about a topic. i see US elections as providing a temp check of sorts. When i voted this year, i was voting for what i did NOT want. Didn't find what i really wanted in gov representation. But i voted clear what i did NOT want!
You make OWS sound like a walking French revolution
Posted November 07, 2012
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Gunsang: In that case I salute your choice.
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orcishgamer: Umm, because if he lived in a non-swing state it wouldn't be okay for him to vote for the guy he likes...?
I should probably show you all the Facebook posts I received from my Aunt urging me to vote GOP.
Posted November 07, 2012
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stoicsentry: Reminds me of John Kerry.
Funny, I consider both those politicians tantamount to the living dead as well... they're the political version of corn flakes...
Posted November 07, 2012
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SimonG: It is anachronistic and cuts out many voters of the election. Leading to many problems. Not to mention the democratic issues. (A vote from somebody in Ohio being more important than the vote of somebody in Texas).
I'm curious, I know you bring up some things that many people object to about the electoral college, but I'm curious... how much do you know about the historical rationale for the electoral college?
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stoicsentry: Reminds me of John Kerry.
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orcishgamer: Funny, I consider both those politicians tantamount to the living dead as well... they're the political version of corn flakes...
I can see that with Romney and Kerry.

Romney = Zombie
Kerry = Zombie
George W. Bush = Puppet/dummy (not dumby, dummy)
Obama = ???? not sure... something else that's bad, he's too animated to be a zombie but also we need to account for his evil-ness as well. lol
Post edited November 07, 2012 by stoicsentry
Posted November 07, 2012
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stoicsentry: I'm sorry I don't have much time to get into this but I think the discussion is complicated because it has a lot to do with American history, I'm not sure how much of a history of federalism there is in Austria.
I understand that completely. No matter how much people always accentuate the "Western civilization and culture", there are a lot of differences in the mentality of Europeans and Americans.

And the point you made is very interesting: Even though Austria is much smaller than a lot of American states, we still have nine counties/states/whatever you wanna call it in English (it's "Bundesland" in German) that have a lot of power in policies. Now, I would support a more centralized government, because I feel it would increase the political progress on a lot of issues, and you have to consider that Austria is a country with the population of NYC.

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stoicsentry: This always fascinates me about non-U.S. people. Why do you hate our electoral college so much?

I mean, there's a lot of stuff about the U.S. that understandably rubs people the wrong way. But what's the big deal with the electoral college?
We just feel it's not very democratic. I once saw a video that explained how it would be possible to win a presidential election with only 28% of the popular vote.

Also, European democracy was always build on consensus and coalitions, so we just feel it's kinda wrong if a party holds absolute power.

The electorial system also doesn't allow for any opinions outside the political centre, which is also weird for many Europeans.
Posted November 07, 2012
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WhiteElk: To the topic of Obramney. i see the two party party system as playing all sides against the middle. i come to see the two party system as a farce. And clearly this year proves beyond doubt that we are _currently_ limited to a two party farce. But still, even within this farce our votes are still critical. Our votes, beyond determining who sits in what seats, are also for checking the pulse of our country. Occupy uses "temperature checks" in its democratic assemblies to check how people are feeling about a topic. i see US elections as providing a temp check of sorts. When i voted this year, i was voting for what i did NOT want. Didn't find what i really wanted in gov representation. But i voted clear what i did NOT want!
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stoicsentry: You make OWS sound like a walking French revolution
Actually all i did was pull out a single relevant example to illustrate a point. With you extrapolating it out to a comparison of the French Revolution seems to point towards a bias and ulterior motive held by you. i've much respect for you good dude stoic, so i ask this within respect... what the fuck are you playing at dude ? :)
Post edited November 07, 2012 by WhiteElk
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