Posted June 25, 2011

Lou
Eschalon - Book One
Registered: Oct 2009
From United States

Phosphenes
Generic Message
Registered: Jan 2010
From Canada

Nafe
Crumpy Gunt
Registered: Dec 2008
From United Kingdom
Posted June 25, 2011

I'm dragging civil rights issues in to validate my point because gay marriage IS a civil rights issue and as such, they can be compared. We don't think twice about attacking racist opinions because they're so clearly not OK. This is the only point I was making - the issue of gay marriage is an analogous one. People may refuse to see it, but I'm sure the folk in that image I linked believed they had entirely rational and reasonable beliefs on marriage too.

wpegg
Optimus Pegg
Registered: Nov 2009
From United Kingdom
Posted June 25, 2011
BUT IF IT'S CLEAR - HOW DO YOU SEE IT?

Lou
Eschalon - Book One
Registered: Oct 2009
From United States
Posted June 25, 2011


I'm dragging civil rights issues in to validate my point because gay marriage IS a civil rights issue and as such, they can be compared. We don't think twice about attacking racist opinions because they're so clearly not OK. This is the only point I was making - the issue of gay marriage is an analogous one. People may refuse to see it, but I'm sure the folk in that image I linked believed they had entirely rational and reasonable beliefs on marriage too.

FraterPerdurabo
New User
Registered: Apr 2010
From United Kingdom

SLP2000
Registered: Dec 2009
From Poland
Posted June 25, 2011
If someone says "we should fire that man, because he's gay" it's homophobic, and I don't support this.
If someone says "I think that marriage should remain only between man and woman, because I belive that things should remain as they were for the past two thousand years" he/she express an opinion. You may not agree with, but it's still opinion.
And as you are not The Judge, you can't even say it's true or false, right or wrong, you may only say that you agree or disagree with it,
I do believe that people should not be punished (and being fired from job is a kind of punishment) for expressing their opinions.
If someone says "I think that marriage should remain only between man and woman, because I belive that things should remain as they were for the past two thousand years" he/she express an opinion. You may not agree with, but it's still opinion.
And as you are not The Judge, you can't even say it's true or false, right or wrong, you may only say that you agree or disagree with it,
I do believe that people should not be punished (and being fired from job is a kind of punishment) for expressing their opinions.

Warmdrink
PGP 30E698EA
Registered: Dec 2008
From Canada
Posted June 25, 2011
ALRIGHT FINE I GIVE UP. Continue being children... Jeeez....

Nafe
Crumpy Gunt
Registered: Dec 2008
From United Kingdom
Posted June 25, 2011

Well that entirely depends on their job. A football commentator got fired from his job for making some very sexist comments here in the UK. Firing him was entirely reasonable given the situation.
Post edited June 25, 2011 by Nafe

Lou
Eschalon - Book One
Registered: Oct 2009
From United States
Posted June 25, 2011
The Standard I follow in all matters makes it very clear that both Racism and Gay Marriage are wrong and that is the Word of God.

Nafe
Crumpy Gunt
Registered: Dec 2008
From United Kingdom

Lou
Eschalon - Book One
Registered: Oct 2009
From United States
Posted June 25, 2011




Showing your tolerance again I see. Well thought out and highly defensible position.
Post edited June 25, 2011 by Lou

SLP2000
Registered: Dec 2009
From Poland
Posted June 25, 2011

This is very different from saying in polite way that you don't support same sex marriages.
That Canadian TV speaker did that on tweeter, not while he was working. Still, you said that he should lost his job because his opinion cannot be tolerated.
Post edited June 25, 2011 by SLP2000

FraterPerdurabo
New User
Registered: Apr 2010
From United Kingdom

Nafe
Crumpy Gunt
Registered: Dec 2008
From United Kingdom
Posted June 25, 2011
I don't tolerate ludicrous and vile opinions, oh and religion. Plus that's a little rich - "it's the word of God" is not exactly a well thought out and highly defensible position is it :).
Sounds like he lost his job because the TV network felt they didn't want have someone be the public face of their network while being known to have bigoted beliefs. Sounds fair enough if you ask me.
Sounds like he lost his job because the TV network felt they didn't want have someone be the public face of their network while being known to have bigoted beliefs. Sounds fair enough if you ask me.
Post edited June 25, 2011 by Nafe