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Posted January 29, 2012
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Roman5: - The AI interaction with the saved game feature is a neat addition but I'm afraid you missed my point, my point was the keywords that bioware said themselves: "We are making ME3 more accessible" and "We want Call of Duty's audience" Those words alone should make any ME fan very worried, ME2 was already dumbed down from the first game, it scares me to think what will happen with the third game, and you know something is wrong when a developer tries to make the 3rd game in a series (Which are heavily connected story-wise) "A great place to start"

- Yes I do realize that most trilogies are "Made up as they ago along" What this might mean in this case however is that ME3 may suffer from the same things Uncharted 3 suffered. From what I remember Naughty dog admitted doing the same thing

1st step: pick locations, write story around said locations

2nd step: The game goes from one one location then jumps to another in less than 24 hours. Then goes from one location to another that makes NO SENSE even with the story

This might result in problems in the final game

- My point was: The game isn't even released yet but they already announced a lot of DLC, you know that any publisher/developer that does this instantly should be put up on "CODE RED APPROACH WITH CAUTION, AREA IS MINED" alert (Free DLC is excused from this) because who knows, it might just end up like with Fallout 3 and Prince of Persia (2008) Where the real endings were taken out of the game and sold as DLC

I do actually appreciate your posts and points but I just hope other certain people in this thread would do the same for mine, while I do wish for the game to turn out as best as possible I am less and less optimistic about it every time I read a new newsarticle regarding it
You want your posts to be taken seriously yet, the title of this thread is "No hope left for ME3". Sorry but you come as a butthurt fanboy that was disappointed with DA2 and wants payback. I'm not the only one that thinks like that, just read the replies on this thread.

You are inferring stuff that isn't even there or taking the worst possible interpretation just to get attention. Making the game more accessible in the context of the article just means giving new players a chance to understand the plot without playing the previous games. Wanting the attention of the COD fans just means getting said new players interested. DLC for ME2 wasn't as bad as the other games you mention and I doubt ME3 would be different. At worst we'll get a lot of character skins for MP that you don't even need to buy.

So yeah, if you are so certain that the franchise is doomed then go and play something else. There is no reasoning with you if you just keep bashing the game just to "be cool", gain "nerd-cred", get "geek-points", or whatever. (Hint: it just comes out as pathetic)
Posted January 29, 2012
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Roman5: - The AI interaction with the saved game feature is a neat addition but I'm afraid you missed my point, my point was the keywords that bioware said themselves: "We are making ME3 more accessible" and "We want Call of Duty's audience" Those words alone should make any ME fan very worried, ME2 was already dumbed down from the first game, it scares me to think what will happen with the third game, and you know something is wrong when a developer tries to make the 3rd game in a series (Which are heavily connected story-wise) "A great place to start"

- Yes I do realize that most trilogies are "Made up as they ago along" What this might mean in this case however is that ME3 may suffer from the same things Uncharted 3 suffered. From what I remember Naughty dog admitted doing the same thing

1st step: pick locations, write story around said locations

2nd step: The game goes from one one location then jumps to another in less than 24 hours. Then goes from one location to another that makes NO SENSE even with the story

This might result in problems in the final game

- My point was: The game isn't even released yet but they already announced a lot of DLC, you know that any publisher/developer that does this instantly should be put up on "CODE RED APPROACH WITH CAUTION, AREA IS MINED" alert (Free DLC is excused from this) because who knows, it might just end up like with Fallout 3 and Prince of Persia (2008) Where the real endings were taken out of the game and sold as DLC

I do actually appreciate your posts and points but I just hope other certain people in this thread would do the same for mine, while I do wish for the game to turn out as best as possible I am less and less optimistic about it every time I read a new newsarticle regarding it
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OmegaX: You want your posts to be taken seriously yet, the title of this thread is "No hope left for ME3". Sorry but you come as a butthurt fanboy that was disappointed with DA2 and wants payback. I'm not the only one that thinks like that, just read the replies on this thread.

You are inferring stuff that isn't even there or taking the worst possible interpretation just to get attention. Making the game more accessible in the context of the article just means giving new players a chance to understand the plot without playing the previous games. Wanting the attention of the COD fans just means getting said new players interested. DLC for ME2 wasn't as bad as the other games you mention and I doubt ME3 would be different. At worst we'll get a lot of character skins for MP that you don't even need to buy.

So yeah, if you are so certain that the franchise is doomed then go and play something else. There is no reasoning with you if you just keep bashing the game just to "be cool", gain "nerd-cred", get "geek-points", or whatever. (Hint: it just comes out as pathetic)
Haha

I'm not a "Butthurt fanboy" that was dissapointed with DA2, I knew that game was going to be bad from the start and I made multiple posts about it on these forums adressing my concerns, people were responding with calling me names, how I was "Wrong and Pessimistic" and other things

From what I remember Bioware said the same things about DA2 to make the games more "Accessible" and "Push button, something awesome happens" Todd Howard (Bethesda) also said the similarities of Skyrim to COD, we both know how well both scenarios worked out. I know that ME3 is a much different scenario to DA2 but when a developer says these kind of things people should start to question what is going to happen to the next game

I'm not making these posts to "Be cool" or "Gain-cred" all that I'm doing is Rationally and objectively looking at things from my perspective
Posted January 29, 2012
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Roman5: Haha

I'm not a "Butthurt fanboy" that was dissapointed with DA2, I knew that game was going to be bad from the start and I made multiple posts about it on these forums adressing my concerns, people were responding with calling me names, how I was "Wrong and Pessimistic" and other things

From what I remember Bioware said the same things about DA2 to make the games more "Accessible" and "Push button, something awesome happens" Todd Howard (Bethesda) also said the similarities of Skyrim to COD, we both know how well both scenarios worked out. I know that ME3 is a much different scenario to DA2 but when a developer says these kind of things people should start to question what is going to happen to the next game

I'm not making these posts to "Be cool" or "Gain-cred" all that I'm doing is Rationally and objectively looking at things from my perspective
Again, look at the title of this thread and ask yourself how is that rational or objective.
ME is different than DAO BTW. DAO was advertised as the successor of Baldur's Gate and it was a fairly complex RPG by today's standards so DA2 was just too streamlined to satisfy the fans of the first game. ME from the beginning was an third person shooter with RPG elements and cinematic feel so they refined those elements in the sequel. The RPG aspects of character development on the first game were underwhelming, inventory management was a chore, and planet exploration was boring. Bioware scrapped most of the bad things and most people liked the changes AFAIK except people like you that expect ME to be something it isn't.
Posted January 29, 2012
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Roman5: - The AI interaction with the saved game feature is a neat addition but I'm afraid you missed my point, my point was the keywords that bioware said themselves: "We are making ME3 more accessible" and "We want Call of Duty's audience" Those words alone should make any ME fan very worried, ME2 was already dumbed down from the first game, it scares me to think what will happen with the third game, and you know something is wrong when a developer tries to make the 3rd game in a series (Which are heavily connected story-wise) "A great place to start"
And for said audience they added the ACTION MODE conversations play as cutscenes and they don't have to worry about what they are doing they can play the game like it's leading them round by the hand all they need to do is trigger the cut scene then go shoot more. For the rest of us theres RPG mode or if you hate combat that much STORY mode...
Btw in Story and RPG mode you have your inventory and upgrades back from the first game again...

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Roman5: - Yes I do realize that most trilogies are "Made up as they ago along" What this might mean in this case however is that ME3 may suffer from the same things Uncharted 3 suffered. From what I remember Naughty dog admitted doing the same thing

1st step: pick locations, write story around said locations

2nd step: The game goes from one one location then jumps to another in less than 24 hours. Then goes from one location to another that makes NO SENSE even with the story

This might result in problems in the final game
Or you know the game bible could have been done properly with story trails for each mission they intended to carry through (theres over 1000 items being imported from a ME2 save) but they may have changed their plans from the original plot points for example Miranda was originally nordic and had a different name and mission set...


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Roman5: - My point was: The game isn't even released yet but they already announced a lot of DLC, you know that any publisher/developer that does this instantly should be put up on "CODE RED APPROACH WITH CAUTION, AREA IS MINED" alert (Free DLC is excused from this) because who knows, it might just end up like with Fallout 3 and Prince of Persia (2008) Where the real endings were taken out of the game and sold as DLC
Yeah they announced a way to get money from used sales (wow like thats not been happening since before ME2) and that you could get your companions original outfits if you bought the figures of them in said outfits... so it's tonnes of UNNEEDED DLC you can quite happily get the best ending without... OH THE HORROR...

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Roman5: I do actually appreciate your posts and points but I just hope other certain people in this thread would do the same for mine, while I do wish for the game to turn out as best as possible I am less and less optimistic about it every time I read a new newsarticle regarding it
Maybe because your not reading them? You seem to gloss over the parts that say "but this does not effect people who import a save" or "but the DLC is not needed to complete the game" etc etc
Posted January 29, 2012
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Roman5: From what I remember Bioware said the same things about DA2 to make the games more "Accessible" and "Push button, something awesome happens" Todd Howard (Bethesda) also said the similarities of Skyrim to COD, we both know how well both scenarios worked out.
Despite dropping elements like inventory managment / upgrading weapons and armor, I enjoyed ME2. In fact, after a playthrough on ME2, going back to ME1 feels hard for me. The combat system is just that much better on the second one.

Oh and Skyrim.... no I won't say how many hundred hours I've already wasted with that one.
I do remember however, how someone considered "no dual shielding" as a negativ point for Skyrim, also pre-release. Seeing such as "rationally and objectively" is rather... difficult to say the least. ;)

Facts? Yes please. Witchhunt based on guesses and wild speculation? No thanks.
Post edited January 29, 2012 by Siannah
Posted January 29, 2012
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Roman5: Haha

I'm not a "Butthurt fanboy" that was dissapointed with DA2, I knew that game was going to be bad from the start and I made multiple posts about it on these forums adressing my concerns, people were responding with calling me names, how I was "Wrong and Pessimistic" and other things

From what I remember Bioware said the same things about DA2 to make the games more "Accessible" and "Push button, something awesome happens" Todd Howard (Bethesda) also said the similarities of Skyrim to COD, we both know how well both scenarios worked out. I know that ME3 is a much different scenario to DA2 but when a developer says these kind of things people should start to question what is going to happen to the next game

I'm not making these posts to "Be cool" or "Gain-cred" all that I'm doing is Rationally and objectively looking at things from my perspective
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OmegaX: Again, look at the title of this thread and ask yourself how is that rational or objective.
ME is different than DAO BTW. DAO was advertised as the successor of Baldur's Gate and it was a fairly complex RPG by today's standards so DA2 was just too streamlined to satisfy the fans of the first game. ME from the beginning was an third person shooter with RPG elements and cinematic feel so they refined those elements in the sequel. The RPG aspects of character development on the first game were underwhelming, inventory management was a chore, and planet exploration was boring. Bioware scrapped most of the bad things and most people liked the changes AFAIK except people like you that expect ME to be something it isn't.
That's kinda the impression I get (although I've not played the ME series). From the beginning, it was supposed to be less a hardcore pen-and-paper-dungeon-crawl RPG, and more like a highly interactive/open-ended cinematic experience. It was always made for the mainstream.
Posted January 29, 2012
I missed the first one (PS3 and a cruddy old computer). I admit, I haven't finished ME2 yet, but it has strong characters, good dialogue, a healthy bit of customization, and some very good storytelling. I can understand disliking some of the strongarm tactics Bioware uses on its forums, but they can still make a good game. I do plan to pick up ME3 when I finish ME2.

I never understand the point of these threads. Warning people off of something that hasn't been released yet doesn't make sense.
Posted January 29, 2012
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Roman5: http://www.officialplaystationmagazine.co.uk/2011/10/12/mass-effect-3-multiplayer-the-better-you-do-the-better-your-single-player-ending-will-be/
ME 3 Multiplayer will be optional, you can still get the best ending without playing it.

Before single-player fans begin panicking, there's an important detail you'll want to hear: it's all completely optional. You'll still be able to complete the game in the most ideal way possible without ever diving into the multiplayer portion; it's merely an option for those who wish to take advantage of it.
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Posted January 29, 2012
*sigh* Reason why you are complaining about "200" dlc is that you are thinking along line of "To get WHOLE game, I have to buy ALL dlc". Guess what? You are wrong. Everyone who thinks that is wrong. DLC is optinal. Figure dlc is bonus for buying the figure itself with skin or such for multiplayer, there is not need to get all of them unless you collect figures.

Also, ME the first one had horrible gameplay =P Mainly inventory, mako sections and stuff, ME 2 made it more enjoyable.
Posted January 29, 2012
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MaskedCreep: *sigh* Reason why you are complaining about "200" dlc is that you are thinking along line of "To get WHOLE game, I have to buy ALL dlc". Guess what? You are wrong. Everyone who thinks that is wrong. DLC is optinal. Figure dlc is bonus for buying the figure itself with skin or such for multiplayer, there is not need to get all of them unless you collect figures.

Also, ME the first one had horrible gameplay =P Mainly inventory, mako sections and stuff, ME 2 made it more enjoyable.
Well, the point of ME1 being awful are entirely subjective. Many people (myself included) prefer ME1 over ME2. It's obvious that the two games were made for different audiences, which is why they are so divisive. I think a lot of people are upset (understandably) because the second diverges so drastically on so many points from the first one, and the second is continuing this.

As for the DLC=optional point...well, the ire comes from it *being* optional, instead of included in the release version. That and the price tag, which creates the feeling that content is being cut out and being sold seperately to gouge a few more bucks out of the consumers.

These are somewhat minor corrections, but I feel that there is an awful lot of misrepresentation of the positions of those who prefered the original over the sequel, bordering on strawman. Lets get some perspective here...there are a lot of people getting pretty heated over this.
Posted January 29, 2012
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StonerMk2: snip
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Siannah: -snip'ed unimportant parts =P
Imaging yourself playing ME2 without having touched ME1 before. How much would have the story made sense for you? That's what's been talked about in the escapist article and this doesn't have anything to do with "dumbing down".
The thing is, the PS3 version of ME2 when it released had that interactive comic to make those all too important choices from the first game, and to be complete honest, i dont touch sequel games without having first played the first. In fact ive recently purchased White Knight Chronicals 2 on Amazon, and if i remember correctly it comes with the first game and you cannot start the second without having first beat the first. I prefer it this way. Why the hell would i start with the second without first going through the first? Makes no sense. The only reason ME3 gets some leeway with that is because Microsoft published the first Mass Effect so theres no way in hell PS3 users like myself are getting our talons in it. I really wasnt calling whatever elements their using to make the game series understandable from a first timers perspective "dumbed down", i was talking in general, overall the game has been dumbed down, and has been since ME2. Either way im going to wait for reviews and watch a few buddies on Justin.tv before i make any additional decisions about ME3. For now its on the downward slope of the fence, but theres always room for it to move up.
Post edited January 29, 2012 by StonerMk2
Posted January 30, 2012
Are you sure that WK C2 cant be played prior to playing WKC1?
Posted January 30, 2012
Am I the only one that liked ME 1 and 2 ? And I really appreciated some of the changes ME 2 did.

And calling ME 2 a Gears of War in space doesn't do the game justice. Hardly any gaming series today has a better grasp on the concept of choices and consequences.

I think there is a general "hipstersdom" on vogue nowadays to crap on Bioware. I would be pretty pissed if I was a ME 2 developer. They actually adressed many issues the fans of ME 1 had and yet, everybody is bitching like there would be no tomorrow.
Posted January 30, 2012
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SimonG: Am I the only one that liked ME 1 and 2 ? And I really appreciated some of the changes ME 2 did.

And calling ME 2 a Gears of War in space doesn't do the game justice. Hardly any gaming series today has a better grasp on the concept of choices and consequences.

I think there is a general "hipstersdom" on vogue nowadays to crap on Bioware. I would be pretty pissed if I was a ME 2 developer. They actually adressed many issues the fans of ME 1 had and yet, everybody is bitching like there would be no tomorrow.
this.

funny thing is that as much as people like to bitch about everything online, they still end up buying the game... Call of Duty anyone?
Posted January 30, 2012
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Roman5: Beware

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/115447-BioWare-Making-Mass-Effect-3-More-Accessible-for-New-Players

http://n4g.com/news/928350/mass-effect-3-bioware-admit-its-making-it-up-as-it-goes-along/com

http://www.officialplaystationmagazine.co.uk/2011/10/12/mass-effect-3-multiplayer-the-better-you-do-the-better-your-single-player-ending-will-be/

Over 200 Dollars of DLC Already confirmed and the game isn't even out yet

There is no hope left for Mass Effect 3
After reading the first article it seemed like the were unintentionally portraying the 2nd game along the same lines as BG2, with it not being very friendly to new players. But that was what was so kick-ass about BG, you knew there was another story out there that you had yet to discover...
And from the second article it seems like this stupid trilogy idea has run out of juice. But the trilogy marketing was what has made ME such a gold mine (that and alien ass :), and being accessible to the lay-man.

So yeah, after reading these it doesn't look good for ME3. And if they are just trying to milk us for dough on the DLCs I would have no problem turning to torrents.
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