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Vestin: Who are you calling "everybody", buddy ;P ?
Also - if you dislike the Internet so much...
You know, exceptions and rules and such ;-P

And I really do love the internet. Literally, if you know what I mean.
Post edited October 09, 2012 by SimonG
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jamyskis: But yeah, the teacher was indeed out of line. Politics have no place in the classroom. The girl didn't understand this - the teacher should have known better.
Oh yeah, this is why we don't have any politics-oriented classes in school.

Oh, wait...

Btw. Yeah, let's just make school a place where everybody wears only grey t-shirts. It will teach children how the world works.

Oh, wait...

Let's just teach children they may be whoever they want to be. Unless they want to wear a t-shirt with some statement on it. Makes sense.

Oh, wait...

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SimonG: One sided article with virtually no information given and everybody is already jumping the predetermined bandwagon (which was that the teacher was evil).

Gotta love the internet.
I'd like to see your comment if it was Obama's t-shirt. :D
Post edited October 09, 2012 by keeveek
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keeveek: Oh yeah, this is why we don't have any politics-oriented classes in school.
Oh sure, we have politics classes in school, but about the political system as a whole. Not classes discussing why Party X is better than Party Y...
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SimonG: You know, exceptions and rules and such ;-P
Agreed but... You know - universal quantifier, formal logic...

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SimonG: And I really do love the internet. Literally, if you know what I mean.
Awww... So do I. And it loves us back, doesn't it ^^ ?

Doesn't it...?

;_;
Post edited October 09, 2012 by Vestin
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Vestin: No - don't just slide over this, THINK about it. Is there anyone in the world FOR abortion ?
Against abortion. For murdering babies.
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jamyskis: Oh sure, we have politics classes in school, but about the political system as a whole. Not classes discussing why Party X is better than Party Y...
Not even before the elections? Poor school system, I'd say.

Political classes that ignore there is an election just around the corner and that there exist certain political parties is the cause why the average voter doesn't have a fucking clue about politics.

Or philisophical classes without mentioning any religion at all. And then you have mindless hillbillies hating muslims and jews, because they don't have a fucking clue about any religion besides their own.

Only "universal" knowledge about nothing. This is what "don't bring politics and religion into school" causes.

And yeah, even If I would agree with you, this is still not a reason to mock a kid because of a fucking t-shirt. By a fucking teacher.
Post edited October 09, 2012 by keeveek
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SimonG: And I really do love the internet. Literally, if you know what I mean.
Next thing you know, you're going to start talking about cybersex and all that...
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EC-: Against abortion. For murdering babies.
What?
Post edited October 09, 2012 by jamyskis
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SimonG: You know, exceptions and rules and such ;-P
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Vestin: Agreed but... You know - universal quantifier, formal logic...
Formal logic?

Dude, this is the internet. You should be glad that I didn't question your sexual identity or implied having repeated intercourse with your mother.

;-)
Post edited October 09, 2012 by SimonG
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SimonG: which was that the teacher was evil
not evil. Silly / stupid et al. Extremely few people are actually evil, quite a lot are silly.
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SimonG: And I really do love the internet. Literally, if you know what I mean.
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jamyskis: Next thing you know, you're going to start talking about cybersex and all that...
Talking...?
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keeveek: Political classes that ignore there is an election just around the corner and that there exist certain political parties is the cause why the average voter doesn't have a fucking clue about politics.

Only "universal" knowledge about nothing.
Wait, wait - I know this one.
Immanuel Kant. He claimed that there is an ability to derive particular applications from general rules and (vice versa) to combine related data into overarching systems.
I don't remember the name of it (EDIT: found it - "Power of Judgement"), but its lack was literally called "stupidity".
Post edited October 09, 2012 by Vestin
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Vestin: Immanuel Kant. He claimed that there is an ability to derive particular applications from general rules and (vice versa) to combine related data into overarching systems.
I don't remember the name of it, but its lack was literally called "stupidity".
I like Kant. I really do.
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keeveek: Political classes that ignore there is an election just around the corner and that there exist certain political parties is the cause why the average voter doesn't have a fucking clue about politics.

Only "universal" knowledge about nothing.
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Vestin: Wait, wait - I know this one.
Immanuel Kant. He claimed that there is an ability to derive particular applications from general rules and (vice versa) to combine related data into overarching systems.
I don't remember the name of it (EDIT: found it - "Power of Judgement"), but its lack was literally called "stupidity".
Sadly, it doesn't work. Most oridinary folks can't use their general knowledge in practical life. I don't know why, maybe because none of the teachers shown them HOW?

It's easiest to observe in physics. They know about conductors, heat conducting etc. But they don't have the clue how to use the knowledge about conducting heat or electricity in real life.

Nobody showed them how.
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Nightfall87: Wait, what? Why is it even permitted for high school students to wear these kind of t-shirts? Politics and religion should be kept out of schools as much as possible.
Freedom of speech. Politics should be talked about in schools, but, should be done in a matter of fact way, not in a biased way. Of course that's probably not going to happen, because every one is biased, but, it would be nice. Still, if we don't talk about politics outside the home, the children will only get a one-sided view of it, taught to them by their parents (and the biased news they listen to), and will always believe their "side" is right no matter what. I'm personally sick of the demonizing of people who don't believe the same way.
I believe a teaching of the facts of politics needs to be done, showing both sides many lies, and showing what they are really doing or trying to do, in equal measure. However, I do doubt most instructors would have the ability to leave their personal biases at the door of their classroom, and that is too bad. Yet, I also believe if it is not talked about more outside of the home, the splintering of citizens will only worsen, and compromise and understanding will become more and more difficult.
In a classroom the teacher is boss, and if students step out of line, it is the teachers job to control them, and I believe a good teacher should be able to do this. If we don't allow freedom of expression and discussion of politics in schools, I'm afraid people will either grow more disillusioned with the government, or more hateful of the "other" party and all who support them. It's a sad state of affairs to me.
But, taking away someones freedom to express their beliefs is even worse then talking about them, even if they don't understand them very much. Maybe they will learn something, rather then staying in ignorance and vice-versa, maybe they will teach someone else something new. Freedom of speech is one of the things that makes the United States of America what we are, or try to be, and that right shouldn't be infringed upon, not by the schools, not by the government, and not by any of us either. Of course I'm not talking about extreme things here like racist slurs and the like. But, politics is an important part of life, and everyone should be entitled to express their opinion about it in a respectful manner, even a never-voted-can't-vote-yet teenager. Suppressing it, is much worse in my view.
*Plays "My Country, 'Tis of Thee "* ;-P
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keeveek: Sadly, it doesn't work. Most oridinary folks can't use their general knowledge in practical life. I don't know why, maybe because none of the teachers shown them HOW?
(...)
Nobody showed them how.
Above a certain point your suggestion becomes "regressus ad infinitum" - you can only explain how you explanation of how things work works so many times over until it becomes impossible to go any further...

Also - I blame the school system ;) (not really).