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roninnogitsune: I don't excuse the Troglodytes for their underhanded tactics but Ideological Feminism has taken an Us Vs. Them stance that tends to bring such people out of the wood work.
The woman with red hair was angry and confrontational. Their previous protest was irritating. Do you have any videos of Anita behaving in any similar way, or advocating same? I've seen nothing like that in the slightest from her two videos.

Though I have nothing to support it, my guess would be that the majority of those attacking Anita were teens and maybe twenty-somethings, not forty year olds. I don't see how younger people could already be burnt out by innumerable clashes and bad experiences in life due to a feminist UvT atttitude.

What I've seen has been people who have attacked her in every way, shape and form, in every venue, by every means available. I've seen a level of hostility and anger that to me seems COMPLETELY unjustified.

Whatever people may feel about her videos and however they may question the thoroughness of her research or the caliber of her presentation, she is at least trying. She is attempting to lay the groundwork to support her point, whatever that is, and do so in a professional manner. How is this anything but THE best way to discuss an issue? If simply attempting to broach this issue results in the shitstorm she's received, then the problem goes very deep indeed.

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Mrstarker: ...
+1 again.
Post edited May 31, 2013 by BlueMooner
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roninnogitsune: I don't excuse the Troglodytes for their underhanded tactics but Ideological Feminism has taken an Us Vs. Them stance that tends to bring such people out of the wood work.
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BlueMooner: The woman with red hair was angry and confrontational. Their previous protest was irritating. Do you have any videos of Anita behaving in any similar way, or advocating same? I've seen nothing like that in the slightest from her two videos.

Though I have nothing to support it, my guess would be that the majority of those attacking Anita were teens and maybe twenty-somethings, not forty year olds. I don't see how younger people could already be burnt out by innumerable clashes and bad experiences in life due to a feminist UvT atttitude.

What I've seen has been people who have attacked her in every way, shape and form, in every venue, by every means available. I've seen a level of hostility and anger that to me seems COMPLETELY unjustified.

Whatever people may feel about her videos and however they may question the thoroughness of her research or the caliber of her presentation, she is at least trying. She is attempting to lay the groundwork to support her point, whatever that is, and do so in a professional manner. How is this anything but THE best way to discuss an issue? If simply attempting to broach this issue results in the shitstorm she's received, then the problem goes very deep indeed.
The only problems she's tapped into are internet rage and keyboard warriors, which can be found for any representaion of media on any forum. I'm tempted to post the Amazing Athiest's take on that MRA event the feminists crashed, but then the forum would really go up in flames. :P

Also, it'd be interesting for her to actually offer solutions instead of nitpicking. Hell, she could even get into the industry herself and try to make a difference.
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scampywiak: I'm tempted to post the Amazing Athiest's take on that MRA event the feminists crashed
Preemptive link:
[url=http://plover.net/~bonds/nolongeraskeptic.html]http://plover.net/~bonds/nolongeraskeptic.html[/url]
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scampywiak: I'm tempted to post the Amazing Athiest's take on that MRA event the feminists crashed
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Starmaker: Preemptive link:
[url=http://plover.net/~bonds/nolongeraskeptic.html]http://plover.net/~bonds/nolongeraskeptic.html[/url]
Well that's dross.
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amok: The damsels in distress is "bad". The women are portrayed as not being able to take care of themselves, and have to wait for a capable male to come and rescue them.
So what's with cousin Roman from GTA IV? Beaten up here, hiding in a trash container there, being shot in the stomach for panicking, taken hostage and waiting for you to free him... Is this "bad" as well, because he isn't able to take care of himself? Or is it ok, because he's a guy?

Besides of that: what would video games look like if everyone would be able to take care of him-/herself? Credits right after the intro, or what? Imagine Fallout. Overseer: "Oh, our water chip is broken. I'll be right back... Just gimme 5 minutes" GAME OVER -.- Or should the women leave the vault? Because they all would be Damsels in Distress if the overseer would go for the water chip.

That's... simply wrong. Computer games don't work this way. Neither do movies and books. Heck, even our real world doesn't work this way. We're helping each other the whole day. What am I supposed to do if my girlfriend asks me to open the bottle for her (they are hard to open sometimes)? Say something charming like "Shut the f*ck up b*tch, you're old enough to open that damned bottle on your own."? No, thanks, I'll stay a sexist jerk and open the bottle for her. But now it's me who's exaggerating...

The questions remain. Is it ok that cousin Roman constantly needs to be saved by you? If it is: Why? Because he's a guy and guys are allowed to be incapable, contrary to women? If it isn't: How should video games look, if saving someone shouldn't be the objective?
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amok: The damsels in distress is "bad". The women are portrayed as not being able to take care of themselves, and have to wait for a capable male to come and rescue them.
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real.geizterfahr: So what's with cousin Roman from GTA IV? Beaten up here, hiding in a trash container there, being shot in the stomach for panicking, taken hostage and waiting for you to free him... Is this "bad" as well, because he isn't able to take care of himself? Or is it ok, because he's a guy?

Besides of that: what would video games look like if everyone would be able to take care of him-/herself? Credits right after the intro, or what? Imagine Fallout. Overseer: "Oh, our water chip is broken. I'll be right back... Just gimme 5 minutes" GAME OVER -.- Or should the women leave the vault? Because they all would be Damsels in Distress if the overseer would go for the water chip.

That's... simply wrong. Computer games don't work this way. Neither do movies and books. Heck, even our real world doesn't work this way. We're helping each other the whole day. What am I supposed to do if my girlfriend asks me to open the bottle for her (they are hard to open sometimes)? Say something charming like "Shut the f*ck up b*tch, you're old enough to open that damned bottle on your own."? No, thanks, I'll stay a sexist jerk and open the bottle for her. But now it's me who's exaggerating...

The questions remain. Is it ok that cousin Roman constantly needs to be saved by you? If it is: Why? Because he's a guy and guys are allowed to be incapable, contrary to women? If it isn't: How should video games look, if saving someone shouldn't be the objective?
Yes, you managed to find one of the few games not using this troupe :)

Does it mean it is not in existence and there are a lot more where it is use?

This is not black or white, existence of a few games which is not part of this troupe does not mean that it is not very much in thriving.
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amok: The damsels in distress is "bad". The women are portrayed as not being able to take care of themselves, and have to wait for a capable male to come and rescue them.
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real.geizterfahr: So what's with cousin Roman from GTA IV? Beaten up here, hiding in a trash container there, being shot in the stomach for panicking, taken hostage and waiting for you to free him... Is this "bad" as well, because he isn't able to take care of himself? Or is it ok, because he's a guy?

Besides of that: what would video games look like if everyone would be able to take care of him-/herself? Credits right after the intro, or what? Imagine Fallout. Overseer: "Oh, our water chip is broken. I'll be right back... Just gimme 5 minutes" GAME OVER -.- Or should the women leave the vault? Because they all would be Damsels in Distress if the overseer would go for the water chip.

That's... simply wrong. Computer games don't work this way. Neither do movies and books. Heck, even our real world doesn't work this way. We're helping each other the whole day. What am I supposed to do if my girlfriend asks me to open the bottle for her (they are hard to open sometimes)? Say something charming like "Shut the f*ck up b*tch, you're old enough to open that damned bottle on your own."? No, thanks, I'll stay a sexist jerk and open the bottle for her. But now it's me who's exaggerating...

The questions remain. Is it ok that cousin Roman constantly needs to be saved by you? If it is: Why? Because he's a guy and guys are allowed to be incapable, contrary to women? If it isn't: How should video games look, if saving someone shouldn't be the objective?
It's unfortunate that the very notion of a man helping a woman has to be framed in the feminist's view as enabling.
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real.geizterfahr: So what's with cousin Roman from GTA IV? Beaten up here, hiding in a trash container there, being shot in the stomach for panicking, taken hostage and waiting for you to free him... Is this "bad" as well, because he isn't able to take care of himself? Or is it ok, because he's a guy?

Besides of that: what would video games look like if everyone would be able to take care of him-/herself? Credits right after the intro, or what? Imagine Fallout. Overseer: "Oh, our water chip is broken. I'll be right back... Just gimme 5 minutes" GAME OVER -.- Or should the women leave the vault? Because they all would be Damsels in Distress if the overseer would go for the water chip.

That's... simply wrong. Computer games don't work this way. Neither do movies and books. Heck, even our real world doesn't work this way. We're helping each other the whole day. What am I supposed to do if my girlfriend asks me to open the bottle for her (they are hard to open sometimes)? Say something charming like "Shut the f*ck up b*tch, you're old enough to open that damned bottle on your own."? No, thanks, I'll stay a sexist jerk and open the bottle for her. But now it's me who's exaggerating...

The questions remain. Is it ok that cousin Roman constantly needs to be saved by you? If it is: Why? Because he's a guy and guys are allowed to be incapable, contrary to women? If it isn't: How should video games look, if saving someone shouldn't be the objective?
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scampywiak: It's unfortunate that the very notion of a man helping a woman has to be framed in the feminist's view as enabling.
it is more the notion that a women must be helped by a man.
Post edited May 31, 2013 by amok
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real.geizterfahr: So what's with cousin Roman from GTA IV? Beaten up here, hiding in a trash container there, being shot in the stomach for panicking, taken hostage and waiting for you to free him... Is this "bad" as well, because he isn't able to take care of himself? Or is it ok, because he's a guy?
You still dont get it. The point is that the whole game revolves around the damsel in distress, it is the main point of the whole story. The main drive for the player to follow the story. Is that true for GTA 4?
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real.geizterfahr: So what's with cousin Roman from GTA IV? Beaten up here, hiding in a trash container there, being shot in the stomach for panicking, taken hostage and waiting for you to free him... Is this "bad" as well, because he isn't able to take care of himself? Or is it ok, because he's a guy?
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jamotide: You still dont get it. The point is that the whole game revolves around the damsel in distress, it is the main point of the whole story. The main drive for the player to follow the story. Is that true for GTA 4?
And is Roman a trophy boy? Will he kiss his savior and fall in love with him? ;)
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jamotide: You still dont get it. The point is that the whole game revolves around the damsel in distress, it is the main point of the whole story. The main drive for the player to follow the story. Is that true for GTA 4?
Hmm... I'd say that the issue is more that trope is both overused and used in a way that has unfortunate implications.

Speaking of the trope, I thought the latest Avatar handled it rather well. Pretty surprising for a children's show, really. They sure didn't make cartoons like that when I was young.
Homework assignment!

Go to your local bookstore and visit the romance section. Then tell me women hate to be rescued by burly bronze skinned men.

http://www.ginsburgillustration.com/images_gallery/bg/lady-of-winter-_bg_042.jpg
Everyone loves being rescued by burly bronze skinned men.
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scampywiak: Homework assignment!

Go to your local bookstore and visit the romance section. Then tell me women hate to be rescued by burly bronze skinned men.

http://www.ginsburgillustration.com/images_gallery/bg/lady-of-winter-_bg_042.jpg
Funny, I went to the local sex shop and the clerk told me men like to be beaten, tied down and abused by burly bronze skinned women. ;)

Really, your arguments are killing me. First you're an expert on modern feminism, then you're an expert on what women want, deducted by a look in the romance novel section? :D

I bet what women love most is to watch a burly bronze skinned man play a heroic videogame while they just sit there in awe, admiring his manly gaming skills. ;)
Post edited May 31, 2013 by Leroux
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scampywiak: Homework assignment!

Go to your local bookstore and visit the romance section. Then tell me women hate to be rescued by burly bronze skinned men.

http://www.ginsburgillustration.com/images_gallery/bg/lady-of-winter-_bg_042.jpg
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Leroux: Funny, I went to the local sex shop and the clerk told me men like to be beaten, tied down and abused by burly bronze skinned women. ;)

Really, your arguments are killing me. First you're an expert on modern feminism, then you're an expert on what women want, deducted by a look in the romance novel section? :D

I bet what women love most is to watch a burly bronze skinned man play a heroic videogame while they just sit there in awe, admiring his manly gaming skills. ;)
Well, if you insist, yes. I am an expert.