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amok: It is because there is no choice. My partner, who is female (Yes they do exist) is a gamer, and for the last year she has not bought a single AAA game as there is nothing there for her, she has bought nothing but small casual games for her fix... She did buy me a couple, and she tried them, but the comment most times are in the line of "God, why did they have to do that" and "this really put me off that game".

She sometimes have to swallow really big chunks of narrative she do not like, it takes her out of the game, ruin emersion and so on. But if she want to play she has no other options. And she really likes to play games, so she does, but do you think this is really fair?
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langurmonkey: No it's not fair. And I feel for her, really. I think everyone should have access to lots of entertainment that they can enjoy but capitalism says no... She is a minority. Not many people out there in this world like her and spending massive amounts of money making games women like her would love, is not the ferengi <- star trek... aka capitalist way.
....minority... did you just not read the 47% of gamers are women?
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langurmonkey: No it's not fair. And I feel for her, really. I think everyone should have access to lots of entertainment that they can enjoy but capitalism says no... She is a minority. Not many people out there in this world like her and spending massive amounts of money making games women like her would love, is not the ferengi <- star trek... aka capitalist way.
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amok: ....minority... did you just not read the 47% of gamers are women?
Do you not realize that data includes casual gamers or is bullshit?
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Hesusio: Though her rather sever misinterpretation of the plot of GTAIII ...
Thanks for explaining the story. I haven't played that installment, so it gives me a useful context.
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langurmonkey: No it's not fair. And I feel for her, really. I think everyone should have access to lots of entertainment that they can enjoy but capitalism says no... She is a minority. Not many people out there in this world like her and spending massive amounts of money making games women like her would love, is not the ferengi <- star trek... aka capitalist way.
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amok: ....minority... did you just not read the 47% of gamers are women?
Yes, but, see... There is only one market. And it is blessed and holy. And can only cater to one demographic at a time.
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ET3D: This really isn't substantiated any more than the connection between playing violent video games and being violent in real life is substantiated. Which is why it's cheap commentary. It's her speculation, and she passes it on as if it were fact.
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BlueMooner: Given that she has many more episodes to go I don't think each video needs to be like a tv sitcom where everything is wrapped up by the end. Laying one's groundwork takes time.
But first of all, why did you complain about that not being discussed here when it's not discussed there, and secondly why do you accept that she can make baseless accusations in the episode but can't mention a real problem?
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amok: ....minority... did you just not read the 47% of gamers are women?
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langurmonkey: Do you not realize that data includes casual gamers or is bullshit?
and did I just not tell you that she would like to buy other games, but is right now only buying casual games?

You just asked if the 'big' developer were not very clever, I said "short answer - yes", you laughed at this. The answer is much longer off course, but bottom line - she is a fairly stronger customer, and she likes the product in theory. They do not cater for her, which is why the short answer was yes.... Makes sense?
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amok: and did I just not tell you that she would like to buy other games, but is right now only buying casual games?
How do you know?
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amok: and did I just not tell you that she would like to buy other games, but is right now only buying casual games?
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keeveek: How do you know?
umm... I live with her?
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amok: umm... I live with her?
Oooooh!

And my girlfriend plays only casual games and is not interested in core games at all.

Now, we've reached an impasse.
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langurmonkey: They do know they cater to straight males. The example above proves EA didn't know most Dead Space fans wanted more horror, less action. Makes sense considering it is much easier to collect data that reveals gender and sexual orientation of customers then what exactly customers are expecting from a game.
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Mivas: They do know that there is a bigger demand for action shooter than horror games (i.e. sales). By your theory, Gear of Wars fans would have surged up. You're contradicting yourself.

And by the way, have you ever heard of faking your ID details? It's quite popular among female players who don't want to be harassed on Xbox Live, for example.
Are you trying to annoy me because I made you emotional by not telling you what you want to hear? Yeah, they do know who to cater to but they are humans after all, not perfect. Once in awhile, humans make mistakes but they wouldn't make mistake after mistake after mistake when it comes to their $$$, okay?

PS
Are you suggesting they only collect data from ID details? No, obviously not.
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langurmonkey: Do you not realize that data includes casual gamers or is bullshit?
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amok: and did I just not tell you that she would like to buy other games, but is right now only buying casual games?

You just asked if the 'big' developer were not very clever, I said "short answer - yes", you laughed at this. The answer is much longer off course, but bottom line - she is a fairly stronger customer, and she likes the product in theory. They do not cater for her, which is why the short answer was yes.... Makes sense?
Yeah but what you say is based on 1 female. Your girlfriend. You are trying to say, a lot of females have no choice but to turn to casual games due to all the big games catering to straight males but you don't know that. It could be, a lot of female gamers turn to casual games because that is what they like. And I'm sure companies like EA with all that money knows the truth from collecting data. I'm sure they know what they are doing, okay. Otherwise...they wouldn't even fucking exist...
Post edited May 29, 2013 by langurmonkey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbihPTgAql4

"one thing that is positive about it, is that she's a single mother"

whaaaat....

and she doesn't even know her hair are her clothes... I'm disappoint, really.
Post edited May 29, 2013 by keeveek
Isn't it kind of funny that the "majority" in this thread is represented by one or two vocal members arguing with all the "minority" gamers? Must be a GOG phenomenon ... :D

I'm just grateful that I'm able to enjoy Beyond Good & Evil, Aquaria, Syberia, The Longest Journey, Portal, Tomb Raider, Donkey Kong Country, Escape Goat, Pacman etc. without feeling estranged that I'm playing an ape, a goat, a creepy yellow munching ball or something as alien as a woman (with boobs! *shivers*). :)
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langurmonkey: No it's not fair. And I feel for her, really. I think everyone should have access to lots of entertainment that they can enjoy but capitalism says no...
It may be true that she's a minority, but some of these depictions are unnecessary. Do these depictions of loved women turning into monsters really sell better? What about using a father rather than mother? How would this affect sales?

Some awareness of the issue might lead to game designers trying to widen the appeal, and that might actually work.
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amok: and did I just not tell you that she would like to buy other games, but is right now only buying casual games?

You just asked if the 'big' developer were not very clever, I said "short answer - yes", you laughed at this. The answer is much longer off course, but bottom line - she is a fairly stronger customer, and she likes the product in theory. They do not cater for her, which is why the short answer was yes.... Makes sense?
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langurmonkey: Yeah but what you say is based on 1 female. Your girlfriend. You are trying to say, a lot of females have no choice but to turn to casual games due to all the big games catering to straight males but you don't know that. It could be, a lot of female gamers turn to casual games because that is what they like.
well, at least I have evidence for one case :)

And yes, my mother prefer casual games (and platformers) but of you are into RPG's or more core games, you have not choice. I do not think my girlfriend is that unique in this case. She is pretty unique in many ways, but not here.

If you are female, and a gamer, you have very little choice and if you want to play you need to buy games which do not cater for you. Either this or not play at all. Which is why they also buy them.
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langurmonkey: No it's not fair. And I feel for her, really. I think everyone should have access to lots of entertainment that they can enjoy but capitalism says no... She is a minority. Not many people out there in this world like her and spending massive amounts of money making games women like her would love, is not the ferengi <- star trek... aka capitalist way.
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amok: ....minority... did you just not read the 47% of gamers are women?
So are all Women gamers cloned from your girlfriend that if they meet her needs they will have pleased all of them? I want to see a better female presence in gaming but the only way is for them to make themselves to make them look like a viable market, appealing to Ethics don't matter when talking to an industry that doesn't care or need to care, they target the audience that they think will make them money for what they do. A girl can like action movies but she has to swallow the machismo that comes with them. Expecting people to try and please everyone is foolish.