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langurmonkey: So you also think Lucifer is iPad? And his demons are iPhones?
In so far he exist, I am sure he will get a nasty headache from it. (on the other hand I only saw the post where you said " Nukes can't do anything against beings that are not made of flesh, blood and bone." which is not correct. Who knows if demons are affected by an EMP? I would guess yes, I used in games.
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N0x0ss: I'd be surprised if the "Average American Citizen" knew about the rest of the world.

Last time I checked, they were putting North Korea south of Egypt.
Well I quiz kids here in Georgia and none of them can find their own country on a map, let alone obscure ones. Bad education is bad education no matter where you live.

I wholeheartedly agree America's education system needs a massive overhaul.
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StingingVelvet: When you write shit like this it's impossible to take you seriously.

For the hell of it though, there are certainly times a sovereign nation needs to be invaded and stopped. Germany in the 1940s is the easiest example. Bush and Powell presented the UN with information that Iraq was in a similar place and that information ended up being wrong. Blame who you like for that, bad analysts, bad spies, manipulative politicians, but the average American citizen is certainly not the one to point the finger at.

And yes, a government officially sanctioning and harboring a terrorist organization, as the Afghanistan government had before we invaded, is certainly in the wrong.
1) Comparing any US attack post Iraq I to WWII is absurd, and proves my point.
2) And yes, the average american is to blame. Bad enough voting him in the first time, but then AFTER Abu Ghaireb, AFTER Guatamino, AFTER the Patriot act,you IDIOTS voted for him AGAIN!]
3) Whether you take ME seriously not is irrelevant. The message is all that matters. While I am likely an undiplomatic messenger, you can't deny my words.

Terrorism is a legal problem, not a military one, that's the bottom line.
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anjohl: 1) Comparing any US attack post Iraq I to WWII is absurd, and proves my point.
Good deflection, but that was not what that was about. It was about you insisting a sovereign state should not be invaded. Care to actually address that?

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anjohl: 2) And yes, the average american is to blame. Bad enough voting him in the first time, but then AFTER Abu Ghaireb, AFTER Guatamino, AFTER the Patriot act,you IDIOTS voted for him AGAIN!]
I didn't vote for him, first off. When you stop talking about Americans as one single entity with a common IQ, political stance and hobby (Nascar) you will sound a lot less elitist.

Secondly this doesn't address at all what I said. His government made a case for war with evidence that the international community accepted. We were all fooled, not just random Americans. The fact the evidence was wrong and whose fault that is is the real question.

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anjohl: 3) Whether you take ME seriously not is irrelevant. The message is all that matters. While I am likely an undiplomatic messenger, you can't deny my words.
It's not about undiplomatic, it's about silly arguments,elitism and a refusal to debate the actual rebuttals.

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anjohl: Terrorism is a legal problem, not a military one, that's the bottom line.
Except when it is state-sanctioned, like Afghanistan.
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BadDecissions: Good lord.
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"Israel has lost eleven of its citizens to qassam strikes since the first one was launched in 2003."

Seriously?
Which war was that now, the one.with international approval? And while I might.concede Afganistahn was a just invasion in 2001, it.certainly doesn't justify comtinued occupation, but that it off topic.

Sovereign states are protected from invasion/attack without just cause. NONE of Israels's occupations are justified by past acts, or are of any defensive motivation. Israel is, and has been, expanding while calling it defense.
And believe it or not, I have.got along fine with moat Americans I have.met. I have worked.for.and with Yanks, and never had a problem. This is about sovereinty and the rights of people, not.terrorism.

Terrorism is a non-issue.when it comes to armed conflict.
Post edited November 19, 2012 by anjohl
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BadDecissions: Good lord.
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Fesin: ...
"Israel has lost eleven of its citizens to qassam strikes since the first one was launched in 2003."

Seriously?
Whereas Israeli "retaliation" for the strikes has killed nearly a thousand Palestinians. It's interesting that it's devolved this far. The whole "eye for an eye" thing from the Code of Hammurabi was designed to prevent this sort of thing... in the olden days, it was a limitation rather than a maximum. It's a shame that it's come to that point again.
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N0x0ss: I'd be surprised if the "Average American Citizen" knew about the rest of the world.

Last time I checked, they were putting North Korea south of Egypt.
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StingingVelvet: Well I quiz kids here in Georgia and none of them can find their own country on a map, let alone obscure ones. Bad education is bad education no matter where you live.

I wholeheartedly agree America's education system needs a massive overhaul.
education wont change much, people are not uneducated they are literate and self centered, as a matter of fact education have made people far more cunning and selfish, thus having a liberal mind doent matter if you dont act on it,,
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anjohl: Snip
I find you harsh, even by my standards ^^'.

It always have been the law of the strongest... So in a way, I guess they don't really need to justify their actions.
What's happenning is inhumane, and I strongly belive most average americans either don't really care about what's happenning thousands of miles away from their country (Why should they ? A large majority never left their own state and what's happening isn't affecting them one way or another), or simply don't know.

The only connexion they (and by they I mean the people who never left the USA and never really read history books related to other cultures etc...) had with the arab world is the disastrous and monstuous september 11th attempt. I really don't blame them for prefering Israel to the "Arab World".
Post edited November 19, 2012 by N0x0ss
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N0x0ss: Well, Hamas rockets have been known to be less technologically advanced then their israeli counterpart... so I doubt it to be intentional.
I wouldn't be surprised if their rockets were actually made of stone :-).
Of course it was not intentional bombing of it civilian shield but it certainly was intentional to lie to the world saying it was because of an Israeli strike and getting the Egyptian Prime Minister involved in the photo op.

These are vile terrorists that will stop at nothing to accomplish their agenda. They hide among civilian populations, set up rocket batteries in stadiums, set up command and control in highly populated areas so that when they are attacked they can use the death of their civilian shields as propaganda to gain world wide sympathy.

They do not care for the civilian populations in which they hide and only use them to further their agenda which is clearly stated in their own manifesto - The complete removal of Israel from the Middle East. If a terrorist group with that stated goal strikes Israel then Israel has every right to defend itself.

If the people of Gaza are unwilling to deal with them then Israel has every right to do so. If all rocket attacks are added up they have withstood at least 3 attacks per day since 2000. I know of no country on the face of the earth that would put up with that.
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Titanium: Hopefully the next generation living in the region will be more ductile to peace and coexistence. This one? Damned to war and strife, I'm afraid.
Anyone ever consider (similar to the plot in one of the Wild Arms games) that a lot of us are secretly living in the center of the world (unknown to us) and all this 'Middle East' stuff is what is taking place on the surface - Hence where we respawn after death if we're bad?

BTW - I never completed it but sort of suspect that was the plot to Borderlands as well.
Post edited November 19, 2012 by carnival73
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Titanium: Hopefully the next generation living in the region will be more ductile to peace and coexistence. This one? Damned to war and strife, I'm afraid.
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carnival73: Anyone ever consider (similar to the plot in one of the Wild Arms games) that a lot of us are secretly living in the center of the world (unknown to us) and all this 'Middle East' stuff is what is taking place on the surface - Hence where we respawn after death if we're bad?

BTW - I never completed it but sort of suspect that was the plot to Borderlands as well.
Neither the plot of Wild arms 2 nor 3.... as far as I can tell xD.
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carnival73: Anyone ever consider (similar to the plot in one of the Wild Arms games) that a lot of us are secretly living in the center of the world (unknown to us) and all this 'Middle East' stuff is what is taking place on the surface - Hence where we respawn after death if we're bad?

BTW - I never completed it but sort of suspect that was the plot to Borderlands as well.
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N0x0ss: Neither the plot of Wild arms 2 nor 3.... as far as I can tell xD.
It might've been IV - It was the same idea but they were kept safe in a hovering community cloaked in the sky.

The opening of the game one of the kids notices a hole in the sky shattering open and enemy fighters flying in.

He ends up having to quickly retreat to the REAL world and winds up in an apocalyptic desert with 1800's Western like characters.

Wait a second.....I think this conspiracy is copied through most of the Wild Arms in different ways because the PS2 version their base was in the center of the world and there was a large area with a fake blue sky painted on the cavern walls.
Post edited November 19, 2012 by carnival73
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anjohl: Oh, so it's ok to invade other countries to get at terrorists as long as they are doing things we don't agree with?
I don't believe there has been an invasion of the Gaza Strip yet. As to your disagreement argument - This is not a mere disagreement. This is terrorists shooting rockets into Israel. Which has every right to defend itself and take out those who are attacking them.

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anjohl: Brother, you are an AMERICAN. Does the declaration of independance mean ANYTHING to you? You *DO* know that your country was founded by those who disagreed with being subjugated by the British monarchy, and that there was a war fought to protect that independance?
Israel is not subjugating the Terrorists in Gaza - The Terrorists are attacking Israel with the stated goal of removing them from the middle east and Israel is defending itself. Israel has offered independence but the terrorists say no. If England would have allowed our independence there would have been no further action. You see we were not terrorists.

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anjohl: HOW can anyone from America support this Pax Americana incubated, packaged, and sold to a stupid populace by Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al? If you attack, steal territory from, or enslave the people of a sovereign country, you are breaking the Geneva conventions, and going against United Nation protocol.
Emotional argument that has no basis in fact. Site examples please and remember we are talking about Israel and Hamas.

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anjohl: It doesn't MATTER what the target is doing, unless their acts violate the above. Israel is attempting to expand their zionist farce under the guise of "defense", and you *really* think anyone without an agenda falls for it?
Do you really think anyone who can read:

"We categorically reject any compromise with Israel or recognizing its legitimacy, this position is definitive, even if everyone recognizes “Israel”.

Our stance on the negotiations and compromises made by the Madrid Conference, the “Araba Valley Retrospect” the “Oslo Accords”, the “Camp David Accord” is a total refusal to any kind of compromise with the Zionist entity, which is based on admitting its legitimate presence, and giving in what it occupied from the Palestinian Arab and Islamic land. This stance is predetermined and permanent and isn’t set for any compromise, even if the whole world admits to “Israel”.

Does not know what the actual agenda is.

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anjohl: Give me a fucking break. Anyway, go back to your Nascar, shooting stuff, or whatever the fuck you idiots do for fun when you aren't messing the rest of the world up.
Your arguments are nothing more than personal, emotional, and exaggerated.
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carnival73: Anyone ever consider (similar to the plot in one of the Wild Arms games) that a lot of us are secretly living in the center of the world (unknown to us) and all this 'Middle East' stuff is what is taking place on the surface - Hence where we respawn after death if we're bad?

BTW - I never completed it but sort of suspect that was the plot to Borderlands as well.
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N0x0ss: Neither the plot of Wild arms 2 nor 3.... as far as I can tell xD.
I just had an epiphany! I never went crazy - I just went Japanese!