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LoboBlanco: This whole thread is like a text based version of THIS
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I don't think an argument about gender being carried on only by guys constitutes a 'gender war'. :P
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Fenixp: That's the only kind of women you have in Poland? So... What are your immigration laws?
Nobody wants to migrate here, because Polish welfare sucks and the jobs are lacking.
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Fenixp: That's the only kind of women you have in Poland? So... What are your immigration laws?
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keeveek: Nobody wants to migrate here, because Polish welfare sucks and the jobs are lacking.
I like to go to Poland to say hi to all the Polish GOGers in person :D, but I be a little shocked to find out you are all older than me...
Post edited August 13, 2013 by Elmofongo
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LoboBlanco: This whole thread is like a text based version of THIS
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tinyE: I don't think an argument about gender being carried on only by guys constitutes a 'gender war'. :P
That would be a gender war via proxy ;).

Not that different from legal battles really :P.
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tinyE: I don't think an argument about gender being carried on only by guys constitutes a 'gender war'. :P
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Magnitus: That would be a gender war via proxy ;).

Not that different from legal battles really :P.
Good point. I don't know about Canada but down here all gender disputes are settled by old men regardless of the nature of the dilemma. Pretty screwed up if I may say so myself.
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Magnitus: That would be a gender war via proxy ;).

Not that different from legal battles really :P.
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tinyE: Good point. I don't know about Canada but down here all gender disputes are settled by old men regardless of the nature of the dilemma. Pretty screwed up if I may say so myself.
Actually, I'd say most issues are resolved by upper class white older men, which is a source for many woes.

For example, most decision about public transit will be made by people who will never or almost never take a bus in their life.
Post edited August 13, 2013 by Magnitus
No gender war being fought here. What are you smoking?
somewhat surprised, but in a good way.
I actually find this more believable now than before.

On one hand most online gaming communities are mostly male (or at least appear to be).

The picture I get among real-life acquaintances is different though. I know of a lot of girls in real life who play video games. I'm single but I know a LOT of my friend's girlfriends also play video games.
It's not just casual games either. I know at least one who has a crazy TF2 obsession, another who plays a lot of adventure games and old-school RPGs, and another who plays ARMA 2 (proper ARMA 2, not DayZ, and you can't call that casual).

It's tempting to think gamers are mostly male from online forums, but I'm increasingly getting the impression that online communities often don't accurately reflect the total.
Post edited August 13, 2013 by paul1290
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LoboBlanco: This whole thread is like a text based version of THIS
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tinyE: I don't think an argument about gender being carried on only by guys constitutes a 'gender war'. :P
Then maybe........infiltrators?!

H.A.R.M. memo to all:

Be advised, a mandatory pants down test will be scheduled among the participants of this thread, please ensure your pockets are empty prior to the test, no pens nor pencils are to be carried during the test.
We don´t want false positives!

xoxo,
H.A.R.M. High Command.
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dirtyharry50: You're right. That's why they are correctly called "Action Figures."

Please pardon my mistake above. I should have said, action figures.
Funny though how a more masculine name males it ok for boys to play with dolls, isn't it?



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Maighstir: Indeed they weren't, unless said dolls were Turtles or the aforementioned GI Joe. Which is why I never bought many Barbie-likes (one, I think - I still remember the clerk asking me if she should wrap it as a present, and I said "no, it's for me", after which I walked out with it, embarrassed - that was twenty-odd years ago).
Somehow I doubt much changed since then.



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A_Future_Pilot: I'd like to see a study that looks at the number of gamer women, compared to the number of women who are active on internet forums and the like. I would assume that the number of gamers could very well be 50/50, there's just many fewer girls who TALK online.

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It's quite possible that you've talked to/with more females online than you think - females more often than not don't reveal their gender on internet forums either.
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gamefreak1972: I can only hope life is really that different now, at least in Poland. Such self-righteous outbursts, while not exactly *common* in the states, aren't exactly rare either. I remember a SENIOR in one of my college classes going absolutely ballistic over religious issues that were none of her business (in other people's lives at any rate).
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Vestin: It might have been luck of the draw in my case...
There obviously exists violence, antipathy, etc. As far as I can tell, and this is merely a shaky conjecture, out here negativity is a lot less "rigid", rational, dogmatic. If people dislike someone, it doesn't need any further explanation. There's no necessity for labels like "geek", no need to explain away and rationalize.
That's the way I see our young society at least: a disorganized, mercurial mess. An anthropologist could probably trace various influences and divide people into neat sub-categories, yet in everyday interaction things tend to be either blurred or implicit.

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gamefreak1972: Lots of women do their best to AVOID conflict, at any cost. No matter how bold of a face she and her friends put on for an aggressor, I doubt they would have that conversation in such a public place again. People are not frail, but I do have reason to believe a fair number are indeed cruel. :(
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Vestin: Don't people dislike mean people? Why would anyone want to associate with someone being rude over another person's choice of pass-time?
It simply doesn't add up ;P.

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gamefreak1972: I understand the roommate thing, there are things you overlook once someone is firmly in the "friend" box.
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Vestin: It's stuffing them into that box in the first place that can be a problem ;P.

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gamefreak1972: However - your ex roommate has a great deal of raw potential there.
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Vestin: That's almost verbatim what I kept saying... She's great at squandering, though.

Meh, I think that's enough gossip.
..I think I'd like Poland. :)

And, while I can't speak for all groups/subgroups/cultures in the states - I have watched "mean people" (bullies) band together for the sole purpose of being mean. As to the "why" of all that, I've been told it makes them feel more in control of their own pathetic lives, gives them a sense of power. I don't get it, but social skills aren't my strong point :)
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gamefreak1972: ..I think I'd like Poland. :)
Hey - the weather's still nice, the summer's not yet over... You could probably check for yourself, if you wanted to (admittedly - somewhat superficially).

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gamefreak1972: I have watched "mean people" (bullies) band together for the sole purpose of being mean.
Maybe Americans are simply more organized and disciplined? Out here the motivation to band together needs to be strong, like religious conviction in a pilgrimage or club loyalty on a soccer stadium.
Hell - maybe Americans are simply more social (superficially)? One cliche I've encountered repeatedly is eating lunch together in high school. Aside from the fact that most people here don't really eat at school unless it's necessary, it's certainly not a social experience (aside from "vultures" who will pester you until you give them a bite ;P).
You also allegedly have institutions like "fraternities", that maintain the bond created through belonging to a common educational center. I've never been exceedingly social myself, but throughout my (obviously local and limited) observations I've only witnessed a sort of anarchy, nothing like the hierarchical structure prevalent in American fiction...
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A_Future_Pilot: I'd like to see a study that looks at the number of gamer women, compared to the number of women who are active on internet forums and the like. I would assume that the number of gamers could very well be 50/50, there's just many fewer girls who TALK online.
Guys tend to think everyone talking online is a guy unless stated otherwise (and even then some don't believe it). How does one know which gender each poster is? Especially when I know a lot of females who actively try to hide their gender to discourage harassement.

Edit: this reminds me of one time I made the mistake of using my given name in a strategy game forum. I tried to ask a question concerning the game, but everyone seemed too busy to tell me girls play The Sims, not strategy games. :-D
Post edited August 14, 2013 by RaggieRags
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gamefreak1972: ..I think I'd like Poland. :)
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Vestin: Hey - the weather's still nice, the summer's not yet over... You could probably check for yourself, if you wanted to (admittedly - somewhat superficially).

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gamefreak1972: I have watched "mean people" (bullies) band together for the sole purpose of being mean.
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Vestin: Maybe Americans are simply more organized and disciplined? Out here the motivation to band together needs to be strong, like religious conviction in a pilgrimage or club loyalty on a soccer stadium.
Hell - maybe Americans are simply more social (superficially)? One cliche I've encountered repeatedly is eating lunch together in high school. Aside from the fact that most people here don't really eat at school unless it's necessary, it's certainly not a social experience (aside from "vultures" who will pester you until you give them a bite ;P).
You also allegedly have institutions like "fraternities", that maintain the bond created through belonging to a common educational center. I've never been exceedingly social myself, but throughout my (obviously local and limited) observations I've only witnessed a sort of anarchy, nothing like the hierarchical structure prevalent in American fiction...
I'd argue that the truth is sometimes stranger than fiction :) I wouldn't call the bullying groups organized OR disciplined in any sense of the words; they are as likely to turn on each other as someone else as a target. I'm not sure how high schools handle lunch situations anymore, my time in those sorts of hellish places is long since done :) But yes, when I was in school it really did have an almost "ritual" feel to it. Who sat where and with whom, there really was a social pecking order to the crowd in the cafeteria (it didn't make sense to me then, or now though so I'm afraid I really cant explain it more than "it existed"). Sororities and Fraternities...those I understand a little better - well, one aspect anyway. I belonged to two in college, but they were service groups, not social. We didn't pay tons of money to live in a house off campus (service groups don't tend to have houses even, though that may have changed), and while I will admit to a few great end-of-semester parties, it really wasn't what we did all the time.

Odd you should mention religion, because here it seems that religion makes some of the meanest people around - I'm not saying *all* by the way, I know some very kind religious people too. I'm hoping its just a states thing though, I can't say I've seen it in the other countries I've visited (emphasis on visited, it may be a very different view had I lived there).