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michaelleung: But here it says that if you're gifted a game purchased fradulently, the game itself will be revoked and Steam will let you buy the game to keep your progress in-game, obviously meaning that they wouldn't disable your account.

I suppose it depends dude, I mean under their licence agreement they can do anything they like from what I gather. I guess maybe in Weclock's case, something else got their goat about his account, but I hope its just a mistake.
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Weclock: which makes me think that anyone who got a game thru wegame could be at risk.

Well, I suppose, but wegame is legit, not like sellers on ebay (most of the time)
Post edited August 29, 2009 by Romulus
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Romulus: Well, I suppose, but wegame is legit, not like sellers on ebay (most of the time)
I know soooo much about wegame that would frighten you.
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Romulus: Well, I suppose, but wegame is legit, not like sellers on ebay (most of the time)
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Weclock: I know soooo much about wegame that would frighten you.

Admit it: WeGame is actually a cover operation run by North Koreans.
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Weclock: I know soooo much about wegame that would frighten you.
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michaelleung: Admit it: WeGame is actually a cover operation run by North Koreans.
until I found out for what, I can't say.
Question: How is someone supposed to know you've been given a game fraudulently? Accepting games from people you don't know or trust pretty much fits everyone. All we know about each other here for example, is what we post. There is no way of really KNOWING anyone.
If Steam made the mistake and they have the technology to correct it, then by all means, they should simply delete the fraudulent games from the accounts and refund the money to the buyers, since even the buyers don't have any means to really tell the super duper offer they're seeing on the Steam store is a mistake.
I'm hoping it's just a mistake. I'm really not liking this "we can do whatever we want with what you buy after you've bought it" thing.
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Weclock: which makes me think that anyone who got a game thru wegame could be at risk.

Maybe its a blessing they still haven't sent me garrys mod. I hope you get your account back though, I know you have a ton of games on it.
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El_Caz: I'm hoping it's just a mistake. I'm really not liking this "we can do whatever we want with what you buy after you've bought it" thing.

To be fair, every DD service has this policy.
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El_Caz: I'm hoping it's just a mistake. I'm really not liking this "we can do whatever we want with what you buy after you've bought it" thing.
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PoSSeSSeDCoW: To be fair, every DD service has this policy.

Indeed.
It really, really sucks that it happened to you. Hopefully they'll get it all sorted out and you can go back to playing TF2. I love that game.
Not really in GOG's case. i mean, sure, with TOCA they said they'd have to remove the game from their servers but they can't stop you from playing it after you bought it. Back it up and it's yours forever. Not so with Steam.
I was thinking of joining GamersGate to have access to newer games, since I've never had problems with DRM before and though i apprecaite GOG's games not having any, it's not like my machine is crispy clean since I also own several CD games and they must all have some form of DRM.
As far as I know Impulse is also DRM disguised as a social app. Though they're useful, they can get annoying for us slightly anti social people, but I'm not sure how the GamerGate experience is. Truth be told, I have loads of games to keep me busy and i don't really need any new games (besides Starcraf 2).
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El_Caz: Not really in GOG's case. i mean, sure, with TOCA they said they'd have to remove the game from their servers but they can't stop you from playing it after you bought it. Back it up and it's yours forever. Not so with Steam.
I was thinking of joining GamersGate to have access to newer games, since I've never had problems with DRM before and though i apprecaite GOG's games not having any, it's not like my machine is crispy clean since I also own several CD games and they must all have some form of DRM.
As far as I know Impulse is also DRM disguised as a social app. Though they're useful, they can get annoying for us slightly anti social people, but I'm not sure how the GamerGate experience is. Truth be told, I have loads of games to keep me busy and i don't really need any new games (besides Starcraf 2).

Well, Gamersgate doesn't have a software client you have to use, so you don't have to install anything extra. Your games are on an account and you download them when you want. You use a one time downloader/installer...but backing up everything (including the setup files) is very, very easy to do. I've got all of my GG buys backed up on my external drive along with my GoG installers.
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Romulus: I found the topic you're talking about, its a little reassuring, but not exactly the same situation; he was accused of stealing credit card numbers.
From what I've read of the official line on things, if you're gifted a game from someone who bought it fraudulently, then that's the ticket to ban-ville.
Basically you're never meant to accept a game from an unknown user or anyone you don't trust. In fact, after reading Vavle's lengthy jargon on the matter it seems like they're saying any user takes a big risk accepting a gifted game from -anyone-.
For example, the most common seems to be sukkas who buy games on eBay and get the game gifted, or sent the CD key. Every instance of this I read on various forums are the ones which got hit with the banhammer.

Yeah, that's the one i meant, thanks for the link.
A mod on the boards seems to have fed him the bs about stolen CC numbers, but it appears that what actually happened was that the system looking for accounts used for pishing screwed up and mistakenly tagged his account, judging by the message he got from 'Miles' when his account got re-enabled.
So basically it's the same situation, an user account disabled without the user knowing why untill Valve either re-enables the account or confirms the account is perma disabled and explains why.
As for gifts,
"There is a Zero-Tolerance policy for any violations of the Steam Subscriber Agreement and Online Code of Conduct. All accounts in a user's possession for any of the following activities will be permanently disabled:
Redeeming Fraudulent Gifts
Never accept a gift from an unknown user. Any accounts tied to a redeemed gift from a fraudulent source will be permanently disabled.",
So basically i think you're right, it's a big effing risk to accept any gift. Even honest people that you know and trust are prone to having financial and bank problems/errors at any time and if there's a mix up or an error or something, there you go hat in hand begging for your games back.
That's what people get with the wonderful "you have nothing but a subscription" system. The hammer doesn't fall on the 'questionable' one item in question, it slams hard on evertything tied to that subscription.
Post edited August 29, 2009 by Namur
I'm definitely done buying steam or valve games as a result of this, I can't stand this feeling, and I don't want anyone else to have a feeling like this either.
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Namur: As for gifts,
"There is a Zero-Tolerance policy for any violations of the Steam Subscriber Agreement and Online Code of Conduct. All accounts in a user's possession for any of the following activities will be permanently disabled:
Redeeming Fraudulent Gifts
Never accept a gift from an unknown user. Any accounts tied to a redeemed gift from a fraudulent source will be permanently disabled.",
So basically i think you're right, it's a big effing risk to accept any gift. Even honest people that you know and trust are prone to having financial and bank problems/errors at any time and if there's a mix up or an error or something, there you go hat in hand begging for your games back.
That's what people get with the wonderful "you have nothing but a subscription" system. The hammer doesn't fall on the 'questionable' one item in question, it slams hard on evertything tied to that subscription.

That's exactly what I ended up reading, good information matey, I should have posted that really.
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Weclock: I'm definitely done buying steam or valve games as a result of this, I can't stand this feeling, and I don't want anyone else to have a feeling like this either.

I hope you get your account back at the very least Weclock; I know the feeling. In the meantime, keep us updated with any information support send you.
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Romulus: I hope you get your account back at the very least Weclock; I know the feeling. In the meantime, keep us updated with any information support send you.
they disabled my account at roughly 10:00pm Phoenix time, which I hastily sent them an email (first thing I did!), and since then, I have received no replies.
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Romulus: I hope you get your account back at the very least Weclock; I know the feeling. In the meantime, keep us updated with any information support send you.
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Weclock: they disabled my account at roughly 10:00pm Phoenix time, which I hastily sent them an email (first thing I did!), and since then, I have received no replies.

A reply from Steam support takes at least 3-4 business days. I have never heard of it being done quicker,except in the case of stolen accounts, which they give priority to.
You know yours was deactivated though, not stolen, correct?
It sounds like you accept a lot of gifts and maybe use poduct key stores, so this might very well be related to that. I can't really speak with authority on the issue because I always buy from official vendors, that's just my personal philosophy about supporting publishers and developers.
Steam having total control of my ability to play my games does scare the heck out of me... I mainly use it for download-only titles, stuff like Crayon Physics. I prefer a box anyway, most of the time, being somewhat a collector.
Still, they have deals you often just can's pass up, like the current Red Faction 3 deal where you get both older games for free. I have to try really hard not to bite on stuff like that.